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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and we have another

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great show for you this evening we have

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caroline corey dave altman and dave

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mason or david called david altman or

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david mason anyway uh caroline is going

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to be on for the first hour and the two

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davids are coming on in the second hour

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may join us just a little bit early so

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right now i would like to play a uh the

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trailer for what we're going to be

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talking about uh this evening this uh

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great movie

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what has made mankind

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is an insatiable curiosity insatiable

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what is that

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the phenomena

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nobody's ever done this as far as i know

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it's a huge amount of work a huge amount

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of data and equipment that has never

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been done whatever this is is more

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complex than we could ever imagine this

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is a first in the field of ufology the

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variety of devices we're bringing as a

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team to study the phenomenon covered an

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entire spectrum of different

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that moment shook me to the core because

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i think we're going to have like a

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when i hear that you've assembled a team

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of top scientists using state-of-the-art

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equipment i say to myself it's about

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time this is an unidentified

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unclassified new phenomenon

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wow

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tic-tacs

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maybe tic-tac-toe maybe caught on our

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cameras yeah that's incredible

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crazy it isn't crazy it's crazy it's

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crazy we can go from body heat to very

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cold like about minus 62 celsius or

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minus 80 fahrenheit wow

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we will be transmitting data up to 800

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terahertz in frequency our highest

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can't tell you how much i'm looking

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we're triangulating and converging at

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two points the same object it's fake

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we could be heading towards the biggest

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sea i told you so in history

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that's what we need the smoking gun

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that'll clinch it that once and for all

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we'll settle the debate no ifs hands or

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butts and in the process rewrite all of

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oh my god you guys

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well i thought the movie was tear in the

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sky but it's tear in the sky

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so we'll we're going to be talking with

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caroline in just a minute before though

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i i wanted to talk quickly about my blog

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i wrote the blog this week

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and what i decided to do

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now i may lose some listeners i realize

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that and i may get some people a little

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bit upset

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but uh the title of the blog that i

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wrote is called the bob lazar condundrum

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muddying the ufo waters and what i

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decided to do is i've had these

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documents that pretty much if anyone

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really takes the time to read through

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they'll understand that uh bob lazar

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is someone that has told a really good

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story that's that's what it is and i i

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know you george knapp stands behind him

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jeremy corbell and others but i will

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tell you that if you take the time

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the blog is on my website podcastufo.com

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if you take your time and go through all

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the documents you will understand uh

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people are writing me that said oh i

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followed bob lazar forever

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thank you for posting this now i know

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not to any longer

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so uh but anyway uh take it take uh take

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a look over at podcastufo.com i will put

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the uh the link in the youtube uh you

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will be able to link to that and and see

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that so uh on to more positive things um

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so our guest she has been on before and

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i'm excited to have her back caroline

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welcome to the show hey martin thanks

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i like your background

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and you've done really well won awards

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and all that and uh this is uh this is

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quite a concept how did you come up with

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other movies but i try to yeah i i try

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to take a paranormal subject and try to

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validate it in some way make it more

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normal and so the way to do that is to

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bring science to bring whatever science

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we have that could validate the the

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topic and so um so i thought uh how do

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personal experiences since i was a child

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so i know this phenomenon is real i know

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experiences and sightings so that wasn't

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or fringe or pseudoscience so

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go out and look for scientists who are

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open to the idea and see okay well how

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would they go about it and so in my

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you do is uh investigate who else has

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a film like this uh you know what what

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that and i was kind of shocked

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to see that no one has done

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convinced i was like i have to do this

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no matter what the cost is we need that

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talked to him more about that but

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type of equipment that you had in those

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i first stumbled on kevin day who is the

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about that story then i think anywhere

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what that was gonna take you know i

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something that really changed your life

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certain things uh with in our movie that

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these things and also i'm not sure if he

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confiscated all the the the data from

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think it was and so that's the reason

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why i was like wait that story was

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hasn't been told this way this is

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extremely powerful and that's the reason

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why i decided not only to tell the story

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and sure enough i mean you saw the film

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eventually we end up

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finding things that are very similar to

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those tic tacs that he found so it was

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circle with that story i thought it was

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really incredible coincidence

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believe with gary voorhees about

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the data bricks that were taken off the

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ship but that's all and i had never

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heard about

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i believe kevin day said that there was

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erased data or something

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something along those lines which is uh

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which is fascinating never heard him say

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that either so exactly exactly that's

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why so even the people who think they

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saw the you know the story you know

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there's definitely these these elements

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that are in this film and just watching

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him you know tell you know tell these

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thought so yeah and then when they said

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both of them said the data was erased

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the tapes were erased even even gary

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said even blank tapes were erased

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so that's kind of crazy it makes you

280
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think what's going on here you know

281
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right oh i should i should tell the

282
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listeners that we have matthew chidagas

283
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and we have uh gary voorhees and kevin

284
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knuth has come they're all coming uh on

285
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together on august 16th right here on

286
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this show right so that should be

287
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interesting all people that have been on

288
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before but i'm having them all three

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together

290
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and i'm sure we'll be bringing up their

291
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adventure

292
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so

293
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as far as you choosing the locations

294
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that uh those are quite the pads quite

295
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the houses that uh these places were

296
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shot in and um

297
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just the way the housing market is and

298
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everything it's so hard to

299
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i hear all these people that are just

300
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trying to find a place to live never

301
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mind a place to use for a week or two

302
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whatever it was that you used so how did

303
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you have someone scouting for you how

304
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did you figure out how to find these

305
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places

306
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yeah when we were in pre-production we

307
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were doing uh location scouting and we

308
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stumbled on this house

309
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uh because obviously we wanted the

310
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vantage point you know we wanted a

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rooftop and um yeah and so so that house

312
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was one among others uh that were

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available and it ended up

314
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again all the coincidences that happened

315
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during this filming uh were really

316
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fascinating so

317
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that house ended up

318
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the the owner

319
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ended up being a friend

320
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of uh the cameraman that we were going

321
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to use

322
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and yeah the production yeah and so it

323
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was so kind of like it was the kind of a

324
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package deal that we ended up having so

325
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so lucky because as you saw

326
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uh it looked beautiful and but of course

327
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i'm a filmmaker

328
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i want you know as much as possible have

329
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the production value or if possible you

330
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know to make it as cinematic as possible

331
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especially this this genre you know you

332
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don't see that so often so i try to

333
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bring a little bit of that when i can

334
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and

335
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know the vantage point everything was

336
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just amazing so it was just we were just

337
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lucky

338
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wow and

339
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and catalina island how did you find the

340
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place there

341
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yeah that was another nightmare because

342
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also we chose to film i mean it was like

343
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we had so many crazy things happen uh so

344
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it was in the middle of the summer so

345
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high season very very expensive

346
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no place to to rent anywhere um

347
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and we ended up literally grabbing the

348
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last hotel rooms

349
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that were

350
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then we talked to the um hotel uh you

351
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know management we told them what we

352
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were doing and uh we they let us use the

353
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rooftops because that was the idea we

354
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were looking for a place that had a

355
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rooftop so we could have those two

356
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vantage points you know communicating

357
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with each other

358
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so we actually had a triangulation right

359
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did you or was that just part of the

360
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time

361
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no not always no no no i mean it's

362
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incredible that we even had one or two i

363
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mean you have to realize martin you know

364
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i mean you see the footage that's out

365
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there you see what people are putting

366
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out there's incredible stuff

367
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but the odds of capturing one object

368
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from two different angles or across

369
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multiple devices and correlating with

370
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other i mean just that is incredibly

371
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lucky

372
00:16:31,189 --> 00:16:29,279
you know so so the triangulation we were

373
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hoping i mean that was the idea behind

374
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splitting the teams

375
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um we were hoping to have triangulation

376
00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:36,959
all the time

377
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but uh it was only maybe once you know

378
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:42,480
um but um

379
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but what did happen

380
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all the time

381
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only from

382
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the data that is in the film because

383
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there's

384
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scientists are still going through that

385
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:57,040
we haven't even gone through i just

386
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picked the three or four

387
00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:01,440
most compelling cases and put them in

388
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the film

389
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:04,959
so those cases there were always some

390
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:08,400
sort of correlation with other devices

391
00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:11,520
other angles something so it was never

392
00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:13,520
just this one off thing because that

393
00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:15,360
defeats the purpose of what we were

394
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trying to do

395
00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:18,959
one of the things that

396
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:21,039
i really liked about the film is right

397
00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:23,760
off the bat you were talking this is

398
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something that i'm really into i'm

399
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:27,280
really getting into right now is talking

400
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:30,320
to the average joe in the street hey

401
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:32,400
uh have you ever seen a ufo

402
00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:33,760
and then hearing

403
00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:36,559
you know people's responses and i love

404
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:39,679
those stories and you started out uh

405
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,080
doing that uh so i just wanted to ask

406
00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:44,880
you did you have a sign out there i mean

407
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:46,160
i've seen people that have done like

408
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:48,640
james fox had a sign um out when he was

409
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:51,360
down in brazil um did you have a sign

410
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:54,160
that said if you had a ufo sighting you

411
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:56,559
know call or anything like how did you

412
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,000
get those people

413
00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:00,160
no actually they've development too was

414
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:02,160
on that side trying to help out so we

415
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:04,960
would just stop random people

416
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:06,559
and and

417
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:08,640
yeah yeah we had our cameraman we were

418
00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:10,960
ready to film so you know in terms of

419
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:13,840
camera lighting angle all that stuff um

420
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:15,520
and so we would just

421
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:17,440
random people would just grab them and

422
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:20,000
but we had specific questions

423
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:22,320
um you know that because

424
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,640
for me to edit this together and make it

425
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:26,960
make sense uh we needed to have some

426
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:30,080
sort of consistency so i told them to

427
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,360
answer specific questions uh i see yeah

428
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:35,840
and so so we would just grab somebody on

429
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:37,679
the street and say hey you know we're

430
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:40,080
doing doing documentary and on ufos can

431
00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:42,000
we ask you a couple questions and that's

432
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:44,480
kind of how uh and most people as you

433
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:46,480
saw they're very open

434
00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:49,600
we have i mean you can imagine we had

435
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:52,080
everything the whole ring you know from

436
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,280
i don't believe in ufos to crazy crazy

437
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:57,760
stories you know from the bible you know

438
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:58,480
so

439
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,320
you know yeah i had to pick and choose

440
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:03,200
but to make it you know relevant and and

441
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:05,440
consistent uh enough also with the

442
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:08,480
footage that we had so um so i think

443
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,880
that i love doing those those things i

444
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:12,640
think in every film i've done i have

445
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:13,760
that

446
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:17,039
oh wow yeah i love it too so

447
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:19,840
i would say that when you stop a random

448
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:22,480
person on the street you're gonna get it

449
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,200
seems like over 70 percent of the people

450
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:27,600
seem to either have had a sighting or

451
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,400
have

452
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:30,320
known someone that had a sighting it can

453
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:32,080
talk about it would you do you think

454
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:34,160
that's sort of accurate or do you think

455
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:35,520
it's less than that

456
00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:38,320
what do you think yes absolutely most

457
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:40,000
people i would say

458
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:43,120
even if they hadn't seen one themselves

459
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,440
they would report they would say well my

460
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:47,120
friend told me or something there's

461
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:48,720
always someone

462
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:49,919
that they know

463
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:52,000
you know who had had the sighting but

464
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:55,440
something that's usually like 99 of the

465
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,720
time that we get is do you believe we're

466
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:00,320
the only ones out there you know do you

467
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:01,840
believe that there are other

468
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,240
civilizations pretty much everyone by

469
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:06,320
now is saying of course we're not the

470
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:07,600
only ones

471
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:11,039
so um yeah definitely it's refreshing

472
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:12,480
it's fun

473
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:15,840
yes and i know that you were on quite a

474
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:18,400
while ago several years ago on this show

475
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,520
but if could you remind me you mentioned

476
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:24,000
when you first came on that you had

477
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:25,600
personal sightings

478
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:28,240
um can you talk about that one at least

479
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:29,280
one of them

480
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:31,360
yeah for sure so

481
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,520
the site ufo sightings right now yes

482
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:35,600
that's what i mean yes yeah so actually

483
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,480
my favorite one happened quite recently

484
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:41,120
like i think it was just before the

485
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:43,600
filming you know so a couple years ago

486
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,000
uh i was at my house and it was night

487
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,559
time and i just felt the urge to just go

488
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:49,919
outside it was

489
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,039
around 9 30 and i look up and i see

490
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,120
these three balls of light they're

491
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,000
bouncing off of each other and my first

492
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,159
reaction was this is weird because they

493
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,640
weren't very bright they weren't very

494
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:03,840
far

495
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,360
you know so my first reaction is like oh

496
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,280
you know it's nothing it's search lights

497
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:11,039
because it was i remember it was labor

498
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,840
day

499
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,200
so i thought

500
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,840
yeah dismiss it i was like no wait

501
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:17,440
searchlights aren't going to do that

502
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:20,159
searchlights will do this you know

503
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:22,960
and so so then i went to get my camera

504
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:26,320
of course it's the the batteries out of

505
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,360
course so i was like okay

506
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,679
well if you are what you are like maybe

507
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,520
i can see something i don't know if they

508
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:35,919
hear or whatever but the point being

509
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:38,240
those two those three balls of light

510
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,760
split into four then six then eight

511
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,760
and of course we've heard stories like

512
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:45,840
this before we've seen footage like this

513
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,559
before so now i'm even more convinced uh

514
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,080
but i'm still questioning how come

515
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,679
they're not so bright how come they're

516
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,039
this how come they're not so fun you

517
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,240
know so then i started to walk and i

518
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,400
said okay well you know if there's any

519
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,360
sort of you know intelligence behind it

520
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,679
so i i went outside my house and i

521
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,240
started walking like half a mile in one

522
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,480
direction and these lights are literally

523
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,200
like hovering right above me this way

524
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,600
and then i walk in another direction and

525
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:16,320
they do the same thing so obviously

526
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:19,520
there was something happening there that

527
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,200
event totally blew my mind blew my mind

528
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:25,520
and speaking of um

529
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,360
other people uh there was this woman um

530
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:31,440
that she was walking her dog right like

531
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,480
a neighbor

532
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:35,120
and then i said hey do you see these

533
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,559
lights up there

534
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:38,960
and then she looks up she goes yeah

535
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,360
that's interesting she looks like

536
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:42,960
interesting and then she goes about

537
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,320
walking her dog like nothing happened

538
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,240
and then i said would you what do you

539
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:50,880
think this is like you know it was like

540
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,120
i don't know is you know like she was

541
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,720
like totally not

542
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,120
even wanting to go there so i just

543
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,520
thought that was kind of funny

544
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:01,280
yeah you know people all react

545
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,960
differently you know and yeah i mean i i

546
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,360
had a friend that had one of the most

547
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,200
amazing sightings i've ever seen and he

548
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,120
said he could care less

549
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:12,720
like that

550
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:15,760
so everyone reacts differently yeah

551
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,320
to whatever it is and to me i i wouldn't

552
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:20,960
be able to you know turn away from it

553
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:23,280
you know so it's uh

554
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,640
it's it is really interesting and

555
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,799
at any time were you afraid at all when

556
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,400
this thing was it seemed like it was

557
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,159
following you maybe

558
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,880
it was following me and like i said i

559
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,640
wanted to see if there was intelligence

560
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:38,880
behind it because even remember in the

561
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:41,600
uss nimitz uh event you know commander

562
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:44,880
fravor even mentioned how when he was

563
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,600
chasing this tic tac like as if it knew

564
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:49,600
where he was going

565
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,559
uh do you remember that

566
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,240
so i was kind of like that i was like is

567
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,159
there intelligence behind it like would

568
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,640
do they know like what i'm expecting or

569
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,200
something like that and so i wasn't

570
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:03,039
afraid at all

571
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,919
i i really wasn't yeah it didn't really

572
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,559
occur to me that this is something

573
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,200
you know uh i was just kind of into it

574
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,360
you know i didn't feel any sort of

575
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:15,360
danger or anything

576
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,559
there was a there's a story of a of of

577
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:20,799
something that goes along with this

578
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,400
where this guy was flashing a light

579
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,039
at a ufo and it was flashing

580
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,880
matching what he was doing

581
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,799
and he did like an experiment where he

582
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:33,440
was thinking he was thinking of flashing

583
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,120
and it flashed yeah yeah i i heard of

584
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,840
something like that that's what's i love

585
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,919
that kind of stuff because it's like

586
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,240
what's going on here

587
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,520
you know so and even like if people

588
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,279
don't want to think that there's

589
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,440
intelligence or the aliens can hear you

590
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,000
or it's telepathic communication so what

591
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,480
is it do you just make it up and you

592
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:58,559
make it happen yourself which is even

593
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:02,240
more crazy right

594
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,360
i had uh last week i had mario woods on

595
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,360
and i've gotten a lot of um a lot of

596
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,799
really positive

597
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:09,600
uh

598
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:11,760
feedback from his show

599
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,880
he was in the military back in the 1970s

600
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,200
and he was at a missile base

601
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:19,200
where there were nuclear warheads and he

602
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,520
had quite an encounter

603
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:24,000
and i have never heard this before and

604
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:25,279
i'm going to tell it to you and see if

605
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,159
you ever heard anything like this it was

606
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,039
he was being communicated with basically

607
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,880
i forget what what the word the phrase

608
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,480
was so it was over and over again

609
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,559
something like nothing to worry about or

610
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,559
don't worry or something like that

611
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,559
but he said it was this this is really

612
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,200
bizarre but he said it was as if it was

613
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:45,840
coming through the fluids of his body

614
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:48,559
like when you're under water and talking

615
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,520
hmm

616
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,679
i have never heard anything like that i

617
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:53,760
haven't heard anything like that but you

618
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,799
know of course in my previous work oh

619
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,840
i'm sorry

620
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,360
someone just corrected me so it just

621
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,320
popped up fear not it was fear not yeah

622
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,080
pardon me go right ahead sorry about

623
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,039
that yeah i haven't heard this story but

624
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,279
you know in my previous work i've done

625
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,600
experiments i'm not the only one either

626
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:13,840
there are many experiments uh lynne

627
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,039
mctaggart for example uh schwartz dr

628
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:19,919
schwartz at the university of arizona

629
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:23,360
and uh in stanford they have conducted

630
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,279
all sorts of experiments like that where

631
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:29,760
uh you would think this there's tons of

632
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,799
examples on this where you would think

633
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:33,679
um

634
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:37,200
something and then a plant reacts to

635
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,480
your thought

636
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,799
um you know things like that all sorts

637
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,919
of

638
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,159
you know experiments done scientifically

639
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,559
under laboratory condition control

640
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,720
conditions so there's definitely

641
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:50,400
something there i'm a big believer

642
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,840
because i've had way too many

643
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:53,279
experiences

644
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,720
uh that that

645
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,559
you know proved that there is something

646
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,159
there to me it's some sort of

647
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,480
entanglement you know the science we

648
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,400
don't have the science yet

649
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,200
but the fact that we can measure it over

650
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:07,120
and over then there's something going on

651
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:08,240
there

652
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,559
know the vibrational and

653
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,960
um it seems like everything can somehow

654
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,200
be connected it's it's really

655
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:20,159
um you know really quite amazing overall

656
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,960
um

657
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:22,880
there was a i forget the name of a

658
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,919
documentary on on on fungi

659
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:27,039
you know

660
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,760
mean how they communicate and

661
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,159
you know all that um and there's so much

662
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,080
of it under you know as we walk right

663
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:39,279
over it it's really really bizarre but

664
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,120
uh so getting back to your film um how

665
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:45,679
long was this production

666
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,480
so

667
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,720
that was another very very incredible

668
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,799
thing in filmmaking usually it's years

669
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:52,880
and years and what happened is i had the

670
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:55,360
thought just before christmas two years

671
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,960
ago and by march we had already

672
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:01,679
contacted uh kevin day

673
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,880
and uh i was gonna go out and gather the

674
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,440
team from scratch you know like uh which

675
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,159
scientist which expert which device and

676
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,080
then kevin day told me that he already

677
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,919
had a team together they've been wanting

678
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,080
to do something like this uh they

679
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,919
already had a couple scientists on board

680
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:20,480
david mason was on board and so i

681
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,760
thought oh that's easy we'll do this

682
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:26,640
film with you guys this first time and

683
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,360
so

684
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,480
this made it very very quick by march we

685
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,279
already had kind of the core team

686
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,000
together and because david had already

687
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:38,799
uh the equipment in place which was

688
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:41,840
incredibly lucky uh we pretty much had

689
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,039
it done by what april i want to say

690
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,080
pre-production by july we were filming

691
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,279
and by september we were in post and uh

692
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,000
yeah a year and a half later we're done

693
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,559
yeah that's incredibly fast

694
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,880
and lightning fast lightning fast i just

695
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,640
wanted to shout out to we have chris

696
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,440
leto uh he does a great um

697
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:05,039
you too he has a great youtube channel

698
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:06,880
he's a f f

699
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,880
16 f 16 pilot retired that has been

700
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,720
debunking the debunkers he's doing a

701
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,039
great job when it comes up when it comes

702
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,440
to the ufo topic so i just wanted to say

703
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,159
hi to him and uh

704
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,559
so that is really incredible that you

705
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,279
did it that quickly and after

706
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,360
looking at what you did you must have

707
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,880
had a pretty healthy budget you don't

708
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,799
have to get into numbers but you must

709
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:32,320
have had a pretty good budget to do this

710
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,120
film

711
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:35,919
yeah actually it was uh pretty

712
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:39,120
expensive but uh it's my fault you know

713
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,080
well first of all i have to say um david

714
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,360
mason's equipment he'll tell you more uh

715
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,360
we're talking hundreds of thousands of

716
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:49,679
dollars worth of equipment

717
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,960
which thank god i didn't have to put up

718
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,360
in this production but

719
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:57,760
i also wanted to

720
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,399
do it make it very cinematic

721
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,799
and the fact that um with a high

722
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:04,799
production value as you saw just from

723
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,679
the trailer and also just to be in three

724
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,520
different locations at the same time

725
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:11,919
think about think about the number of

726
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:15,200
crew members we had about 10 cameras

727
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,559
running at the same time all at once

728
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:19,840
and um

729
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,480
also we filmed with the the red gemini

730
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,480
red cameras for those who know these are

731
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,039
very expensive cameras it just happened

732
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,360
that the production company owned some

733
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:33,760
so we went so then you have to

734
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,559
everything was top top notch i mean you

735
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:38,559
know in terms of production

736
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,000
uh but you know what i don't know like i

737
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:44,480
i spent the money myself by the way for

738
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,520
those who don't know um i had a sponsor

739
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,520
for the william shatner piece but

740
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:51,679
otherwise it was really from my own

741
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,120
savings but when i do something and i'm

742
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:57,440
convinced that i should be doing it i

743
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,399
feel like i want to maximize all aspects

744
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,799
of it not just kind of throw a bunch of

745
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,799
data together a bunch of people together

746
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,120
but try this is a film

747
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:08,640
and

748
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,399
also part of the purpose

749
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:15,519
was not only to bring validation to the

750
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:18,720
subject scientifically but also to try

751
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:21,279
to bridge the gap to the mainstream

752
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:22,159
so

753
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,919
it very cinematic like very film like as

754
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:34,320
opposed to this you know very

755
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,360
kind of

756
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,240
raw you know documentary style that you

757
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,799
see out there normally and it worked

758
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,200
because i ended up

759
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:45,279
first of all winning a lot of film

760
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,240
festival awards and you know these guys

761
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,919
are mainstream these guys aren't

762
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,080
ufologists they i mean they're not into

763
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:55,279
ufos necessarily you know what i mean so

764
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,480
they're judging the film on the quality

765
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,519
on the storytelling are you making us a

766
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,080
compelling point in your film you know

767
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,240
does it hold together does it make sense

768
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,799
does it look good from a production

769
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:10,880
standpoint are you using the right you

770
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:13,600
know equipment so on so forth and firm

771
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:16,880
for a ufo film to win those types of

772
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:20,159
awards tells me that the mainstream

773
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,880
embraced it as well if that makes sense

774
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:23,600
so

775
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:30,000
dollars a lot yeah yeah i bet and

776
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,440
william shatner that was one of the

777
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,519
things i wanted to bring up um i've

778
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,840
always been a fan of of william shatner

779
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,760
and i still can't get over the fact that

780
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:39,679
he's 90 years old

781
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,640
and

782
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,120
he hardly looks he looks

783
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,200
you know in his 60s he could pass for

784
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,519
his 60s and it's still as sharp as can

785
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,919
be uh what's he like um after the

786
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:51,760
cameras are off is he

787
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,559
is he a regular guy is he is easy to

788
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,600
talk to he's very very easy to talk to

789
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,279
and actually the way

790
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,679
i used him in the film was not i didn't

791
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,159
want him to be to host the show like in

792
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,159
a typical way where he's outside the

793
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,200
story he's just reading his script and

794
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,840
hosting you know i wanted to integrate

795
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,159
him in a story and so basically he was

796
00:33:19,870 --> 00:33:15,519
himself

797
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,880
and so uh he's very very fun

798
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,480
spontaneous and

799
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:25,200
you know he loves this topic but he also

800
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:28,159
loves anything that the mysteries of of

801
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,519
life you know

802
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,080
so he's going to kind of take the

803
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,960
subject and and kind of add to it and

804
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,559
kind of bring it up

805
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,080
to another level like a bigger

806
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,320
perspective of life you know the

807
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,640
mysteries of life so because of that

808
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,120
he's very easy you know to talk to

809
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,039
because he's being himself

810
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:50,159
you know so wow and even off camera

811
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,760
before when we were in the green room we

812
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:54,000
were talking we were talking about

813
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,519
animals and

814
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,279
and how you know speaking of

815
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,320
communication like how he can hear his

816
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,159
dog and he communicates with this guy

817
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,360
he's very very personable and very

818
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,279
friendly

819
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,200
when um

820
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,599
when he seemed to know

821
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:13,919
of the details i believe he knew the

822
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:16,879
details of the tic tac i in a

823
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,879
conversation with you it was something

824
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,200
like that maybe maybe it wasn't that but

825
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,760
another one but i was kind of impressed

826
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,079
with the details he seemed to know

827
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,960
and did he get a briefing or did he look

828
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:30,960
at these things on his own

829
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,399
no actually i had sent him uh not

830
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:36,800
questions but kind of uh speaking points

831
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,200
so he he's prepared

832
00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:41,760
yeah but uh he didn't he didn't really

833
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,440
look at them he didn't want to have a

834
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,119
pre-interview or whatever discussion

835
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,079
because he wanted to just be spontaneous

836
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:51,760
i'm like yeah but we have to stay and

837
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:55,280
kind of follow a storyline so so i just

838
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,960
wanted to know how much you know of the

839
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,400
story he

840
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,480
so what i'm trying to say is that i

841
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,800
didn't brief him on anything

842
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:05,040
he didn't want to have any talking

843
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:08,960
points uh he just wanted to be there and

844
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,760
just

845
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:11,440
whatever comes out so

846
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,440
so this means that he actually was um

847
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:17,920
familiar with that story i was surprised

848
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:20,880
myself he knew about the uap report he

849
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,160
knew about the details of of the tic tac

850
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:27,359
incident so everything you see in the

851
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,560
film

852
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:30,320
none of it was prepare to script it

853
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,150
um well i you know in the the second

854
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:38,000
part of the show i'll be talking more

855
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:39,040
about

856
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,480
you know the equipment and stuff like

857
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:42,720
that but i would imagine it's kind of

858
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,760
like fishing right i mean you're out

859
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,520
there with the line in the water and

860
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,280
you're just waiting and waiting waiting

861
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:51,920
so there's a lot of idle hours

862
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,040
um did you did you see some things but

863
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:57,440
you just that were not particularly

864
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,400
convincing

865
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,720
that you left out of the film or did we

866
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,160
see everything

867
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,680
oh no oh my god we only took like i said

868
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,760
we selected just a couple of i mean

869
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,440
three or four things

870
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:12,079
that we felt were compelling enough

871
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,359
because

872
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,320
we there were so many correlations or

873
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,960
so many you know things okay it's not a

874
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:20,640
bird it's not a plane it's not this it's

875
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:23,440
not that it's not so what is it so we

876
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,119
only selected a few uh examples that

877
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,760
looked 100 percent anomalous we don't

878
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:31,680
know what they are but they're 100

879
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,720
unknown there's still hundreds of hours

880
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,680
to go through uh you know to to see what

881
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:39,680
else is out there so

882
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,160
that's you know and that was the idea

883
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,400
but you know martin it was very

884
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,320
difficult think how many people do you

885
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,920
know who

886
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,920
go on expeditions and they come back

887
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,760
it's like we didn't see anything

888
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,280
right

889
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:56,000
and we were we were going to do this

890
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,359
five days

891
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,119
originally we were going to do it 10

892
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,280
days and then the budget was starting

893
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,760
starting to get so crazy i said why

894
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:06,079
don't we do five days and then if we

895
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:07,520
don't have enough

896
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:10,480
data or something we can always extend

897
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:11,280
so

898
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,800
five days the closer we got to the you

899
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,720
know to the filming

900
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:20,640
the more you know it was getting

901
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,680
expensive and crazy and i realized these

902
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,320
guys had never worked together before

903
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,480
they had the idea they had the team but

904
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,640
they had never tried it before

905
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,960
you know we had never done it before

906
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,520
from a production standpoint and put the

907
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,040
two together

908
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,320
it was i mean it was pretty like we were

909
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,960
literally figuring things out as we went

910
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,000
along

911
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:46,720
and the first day you know of course

912
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,400
software's not working power outages you

913
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,320
know messing up the calibration of the

914
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,720
devices i mean all sorts of unseen

915
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,359
things so the first two days were awash

916
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,119
and i'm thinking oh my god you know in

917
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,520
production every hour is like ten

918
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:04,240
thousand dollars fifty thousand

919
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:05,520
and so

920
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:09,359
so i was really hoping for like one

921
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,720
really really really strong compelling

922
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:15,119
piece of evidence that would

923
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:16,000
be

924
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,839
angles with different correlations and

925
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,400
things like that i would be happy

926
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:24,079
um from a film

927
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,880
making

928
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,079
standpoint

929
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,800
but we ended up with a lot more

930
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:29,760
i mean

931
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,200
and even with that uh so we were filming

932
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,359
at night but the cameras everything all

933
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,320
the devices were running 24 7. so they

934
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,400
were capturing things that we didn't

935
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,079
even know about

936
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,480
does that make sense so that's why like

937
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,040
as much as possible we were trying to

938
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:49,680
during the filming to catch up with what

939
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,800
you know like whatever was we could see

940
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,119
but we there was a lot that still we

941
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,880
haven't even looked through

942
00:39:03,030 --> 00:38:59,280
and so we were very lucky that the first

943
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,040
uh sightings um were caught live

944
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,040
as you you saw

945
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,680
from dave altman actually right

946
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,440
yeah he's pretty he's pretty proud of

947
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,000
that too yeah of course and he should be

948
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,480
he should be because you know

949
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:16,880
that was pretty amazing because

950
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,280
that particular one was caught live so

951
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,680
we were able to capture the action

952
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:24,240
and everything that happened you know

953
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:27,440
which is also incredibly lucky you know

954
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,640
and uh we were able to capture that one

955
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,839
uh object on on two night vision one

956
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:35,760
regular camera and potentially from

957
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:38,720
another angle so i mean it was pretty

958
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,599
pretty lucky that we ended up with with

959
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,839
just so much

960
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:45,440
right that's excellent

961
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,320
now

962
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,400
a lot of times people that i've talked

963
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:50,000
to in the past

964
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,800
they

965
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:52,640
have something come out

966
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,280
and then all of a sudden in their area

967
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,200
saying oh well you know i saw something

968
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,200
last year how do i get in touch with

969
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,880
this person that did this film has any

970
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,119
of that happened with you

971
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:05,440
yeah somebody is a few people have been

972
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:06,640
sending me

973
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,839
similar things uh some videos that are

974
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:10,880
similar

975
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:13,680
to uh what we've captured so which is

976
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,480
very

977
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,119
you know um helpful because that's the

978
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,200
idea of the film we're putting it out

979
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:20,960
there for the scientific community but

980
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:23,599
also for the ufo community to

981
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,319
collaborate to tell us hey you know

982
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,480
we've seen this before or what about

983
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,119
this does mine compare with yours i mean

984
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,359
this is an investigation this is an

985
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:35,680
ongoing research and that's the purpose

986
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:38,319
of the film and so i have had been

987
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,520
contacted by folks um and and i'm still

988
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:43,359
encouraging people please go to the

989
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,560
website

990
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,440
at tarrantsky.com and you know keep

991
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,280
sending us whatever you think is

992
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,640
relevant

993
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,599
but

994
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,280
there are two

995
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:55,839
things that are in the film

996
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,079
that i've yet to uh have any comments on

997
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,319
um you know uh

998
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,640
anybody to tell them to tell us hey

999
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,800
we've seen this before one

1000
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,960
is the reigning tic tacs you know though

1001
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,960
i mean tic tac the raining objects

1002
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:13,119
falling in the water which david mason

1003
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:14,960
will tell you more about but

1004
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,560
uh very very high speed uh things

1005
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,280
falling in the water um never seen

1006
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:23,440
anything like it before

1007
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,720
and uh by the way for the first thing we

1008
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:29,040
look at is camera glitch i mean

1009
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:30,560
you know these are

1010
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,920
experts these are scientists uh they're

1011
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:35,760
not going to just look at something and

1012
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,400
call it anomalous with that really

1013
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,960
so it's not a camera glitch you know so

1014
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:42,560
so david mesa will tell you more about

1015
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,520
this that's a very very unique

1016
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,079
footage that i've never seen before and

1017
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:50,720
of course the tear in the sky

1018
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:51,130
um

1019
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,400
[Music]

1020
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:55,040
which is that opening and closing

1021
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:58,560
uh revealing reflective objects um you

1022
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,000
know matthew and kevin knuth uh will

1023
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:04,400
tell you what they when they will come

1024
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:05,760
on your show

1025
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,359
but uh they shared more of this data at

1026
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,079
the recent scientific scu conference you

1027
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:13,680
know recently

1028
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,960
um and you know they're talking to

1029
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,280
hundreds of scientists in the in the

1030
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:22,079
room and remotely and you know in the

1031
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:23,200
community

1032
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:26,560
i i have yet to um

1033
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:28,839
hear of a

1034
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,480
a uh plausible explanation

1035
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,400
from anyone

1036
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:35,760
so

1037
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:42,640
are extremely extremely compelling and

1038
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:46,000
uh very very um

1039
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,440
intriguing

1040
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:50,319
anomalies that we've captured

1041
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,800
yeah that's great um i'm having some

1042
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:56,160
this is embarrassing i'm having some

1043
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:57,760
trouble in the chat and just trying to

1044
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,880
get rid of some uh

1045
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,720
comments it's a it's a bot what they

1046
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,880
call a bot

1047
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,440
bot in my thing but hopefully i i took

1048
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:09,200
care of it just now just this very

1049
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,319
second so

1050
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:11,680
um

1051
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,560
let's see this is uh this is a question

1052
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:16,319
someone wanted to know

1053
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,160
um regarding the esp experiences any

1054
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:22,079
attempts to remote view these events in

1055
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:23,440
a formal way

1056
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:24,400
um

1057
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,319
yeah okay go ahead yeah so uh this film

1058
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,280
was very we wanted to to make it very

1059
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,040
hardcore science you know just

1060
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,520
measurable things i am personally into

1061
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,839
remote viewing and this sort of stuff

1062
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:40,240
but um you know the scientists on the

1063
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,280
team

1064
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,599
were very hardcore scientists they just

1065
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,400
wanted to do it from that angle and i

1066
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,960
agree because that angle has never been

1067
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,960
done before you know we've done we've

1068
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,040
seen ce5 we've seen

1069
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,520
other types things like this done before

1070
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:58,480
in ufology but not what we've done so i

1071
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,920
was okay with uh just making this film

1072
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:04,560
just straight you know nuts and bolts

1073
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,839
science science without any sort of um

1074
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,760
you know projection remote viewing or

1075
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,240
anything like that um you know in the

1076
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,640
future we may experiment and do

1077
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:16,960
something else in fact i have some some

1078
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,079
kind of cool ideas um how we could

1079
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:22,640
incorporate that scientifically

1080
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:26,079
but for now this film did not we did not

1081
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:30,079
want to go there on purpose

1082
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,359
um i have

1083
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,160
the both david's and i'd like to bring

1084
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:36,720
them both on we could all uh share this

1085
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,760
share the uh screen and talk tonight

1086
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,280
if that's already with you you ready

1087
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,599
yeah absolutely that'll be great

1088
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:44,880
okay

1089
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,480
so we have as you can see their names uh

1090
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,800
david mason and dave altman and they

1091
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:57,359
were all part of this film dave altman

1092
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,160
first of all you've uh you've been a

1093
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:02,079
friend of the show for many years and

1094
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,440
have actually gotten me a number of

1095
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,760
guests i always appreciate that

1096
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,400
hey this is the first time i'm a guest

1097
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:11,200
that's right and and what uh david you

1098
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,880
were the first one to see

1099
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:14,800
something there

1100
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:17,839
and you saw two things right david um i

1101
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,440
saw more than that um the first night

1102
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:23,760
let me let me back up so

1103
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,880
due to um some mix-ups

1104
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,200
i got on catalina island and realized

1105
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,280
that i didn't have anything to record

1106
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,760
the night vision from

1107
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,160
so um

1108
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,079
the first two nights you know first

1109
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,240
night or two i was there i was seeing

1110
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,640
things but couldn't film anything

1111
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:44,560
until we were able to figure out how to

1112
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,520
actually

1113
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,480
film it

1114
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,640
um but i also saw something with the

1115
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:51,200
naked eye as well

1116
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:52,960
and was it all nighttime sightings that

1117
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,400
you saw no um there was one time that i

1118
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,400
saw something i mean i don't know what

1119
00:46:06,230 --> 00:45:59,520
it was

1120
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,240
yet

1121
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,359
and dave ma david mason um you are the

1122
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:11,839
guy behind all this amazing equipment

1123
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,640
but i saw there's a shot in the film

1124
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,680
where you're

1125
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,440
uh you're basically

1126
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,680
it's a daytime thing and you're you're

1127
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,000
you're turning equipment you know during

1128
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:24,560
the day so this was like 24 hours did

1129
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:26,079
you have people on shifts and things

1130
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,599
like that

1131
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,280
we didn't have we yeah we had ships

1132
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,040
where people were um

1133
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,880
people taking naps and people trying to

1134
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,720
be up on the rooftop to

1135
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,960
uh make sure that we had eyes on the sky

1136
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,560
uh 24 7

1137
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,480
as best as we could but most of our

1138
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:42,960
observations were more closely monitored

1139
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,760
in the evenings in in darkness

1140
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,839
yeah do i see an oscilloscope in the

1141
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:49,599
back is that what that is something like

1142
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,640
that behind you yeah uh this is a here

1143
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,960
i'll just show you this this is a

1144
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,839
tektronix mdo4104

1145
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,920
d with a built-in six gigahertz spectrum

1146
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,040
analyzer

1147
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,359
uh yeah i have several of those yeah

1148
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,960
yeah this is uh

1149
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,960
this is this is current product it's

1150
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,040
three thousand dollars i'm just showing

1151
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:12,000
you the kind of equipment that i use i i

1152
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,599
don't use

1153
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,280
cheap gear

1154
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,839
and yeah that's that's what that is

1155
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,040
yep um

1156
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,079
so speaking of that i i saw i saw the

1157
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,480
gear it looked to me caroline mentioned

1158
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:26,000
hundreds of thousands to me it looked

1159
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,280
like a million dollars worth of

1160
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:29,760
equipment i don't know i don't know you

1161
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,480
know

1162
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,800
how to distinguish it but it looked like

1163
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,640
really high-end stuff

1164
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:36,960
and can you explain

1165
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,440
the different types of uh

1166
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:41,760
i guess listening watching type of

1167
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:44,720
devices there are spectrum and all that

1168
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,680
sure um well you can see behind me

1169
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,440
uh that transmitter which you've seen in

1170
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,520
the movie that's a triple spectrum

1171
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,599
light wave transmitter it transmits in

1172
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,079
infrared and then visible spectrum and

1173
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,920
ultraviolet there's some ultra

1174
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,000
some overlap and what it does is it

1175
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,319
transmits frequency modulation and

1176
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,640
amplitude modulation of light

1177
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,880
and so it could cover you know different

1178
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:09,440
areas we can we can assign

1179
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,119
different um

1180
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,119
sounds to each one of these up up to

1181
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,000
about 200 kilohertz bandwidth and like

1182
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,559
we had on one transmitter we had my solo

1183
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,960
acoustic music and on another

1184
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,720
transmitter we had carolyn's music we

1185
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:25,200
used our music not to self-promote but

1186
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,400
because we wanted to get around

1187
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,400
copyrights we didn't want anybody coming

1188
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,240
after us on it and then the other

1189
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,880
transmitter i was using a

1190
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,960
receiver that was just receiving light

1191
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,880
from outer space and just beaming it

1192
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,559
right back in case something came by and

1193
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,160
was transmitting some data we could

1194
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,640
relay it back to them and also what can

1195
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,200
be connected with these devices is i've

1196
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,720
got

1197
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,160
this is one of the inventions in the

1198
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,400
movie it's a pair of night vision

1199
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,800
goggles that converts light to sound

1200
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,800
and then you can see there's a laser

1201
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,800
that's ultraviolet and then i can switch

1202
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,319
that to red

1203
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,680
or blend it

1204
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,240
and this is also a

1205
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,800
light that is uh defocused so that way

1206
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:07,040
we don't point lasers at aircraft by

1207
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:09,920
mistake but this you we can convert what

1208
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,480
we see into sound so we can listen to

1209
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,880
aircraft we can listen to meteors we can

1210
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,400
listen to starlight

1211
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,240
and if we come into contact with

1212
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,319
something like a ufo

1213
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,319
we'll be able to um

1214
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,000
receive that light and then transmit it

1215
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,680
back through this defocused laser

1216
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,119
because the assumption is

1217
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:28,640
if it's transmitting information we're

1218
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,920
not going to understand it it's going to

1219
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:31,680
go over our heads but at least we can

1220
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:34,319
relay it back to them in a delayed form

1221
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,520
uh and

1222
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,280
in a different spectrum and maybe it'll

1223
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,280
provoke a response so we're going to

1224
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,440
show attempts of communication and then

1225
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,640
the other device is a pair of photo dial

1226
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:46,559
binoculars that

1227
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:50,160
have the same concept it has a defocus

1228
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,359
red laser

1229
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,920
and this this does the same thing but it

1230
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,000
works in daylight so we can do

1231
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,079
demodulation listen to aircraft and

1232
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,800
things and and identify objects in the

1233
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,200
sky uh you know certainly the prosaic

1234
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,319
objects and and be able to do that um

1235
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,319
and then these devices can be connected

1236
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,880
to headphones or a recording device or

1237
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,440
to that if you can see that that blue

1238
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,839
box behind me which is the light wave

1239
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,319
transmitter console and modulator that's

1240
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:21,200
that blue box uh position behind me

1241
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,760
and we can uh interface it with that so

1242
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,599
whatever we received in the binoculars

1243
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,440
or the night vision we can transmit it

1244
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,280
on that triple spectrum transmitter

1245
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:31,359
assign it to whichever light source we

1246
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,559
want to use

1247
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,400
and and then the third device which we

1248
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:36,559
didn't get a chance to show

1249
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,040
was a flare camera that i re-engineered

1250
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:40,800
to have a new function it's a thermal

1251
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,280
camera that doesn't produce images it

1252
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,720
takes

1253
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,280
temperatures like body heat or very cold

1254
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,280
temperatures down to minus 80 fahrenheit

1255
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:51,040
and converts it into sound

1256
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:52,880
also up to about 200 kilohertz we can

1257
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:56,319
listen to modulated temperatures cold

1258
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:59,200
temperatures even and and convert that

1259
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:00,720
and it's because and the reason why i

1260
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,040
developed it was that i recorded some

1261
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,359
anomalous objects in the sky that were

1262
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,680
pulsing in temperature and very cold

1263
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,079
temperature so i'm assuming there may be

1264
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:12,160
data encrypted within it so we needed to

1265
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,240
have something to demodulate that or

1266
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,160
decode it

1267
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,319
and that was a that was a really tough

1268
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:20,559
engineering job you know and i know

1269
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,760
other clear engineers are going to look

1270
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,280
at that and go well how did he do that

1271
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:25,599
yeah i'm not going to tell you

1272
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:27,040
but i did it

1273
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,400
well i was listening to a recent npr

1274
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:32,400
podcast and they're talking about animal

1275
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,440
senses

1276
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,839
and animal meaning the animal kingdom

1277
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,359
all the way down through insects and

1278
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,200
it's it's amazing

1279
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,599
of the spectrum that you know in the

1280
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,680
ultraviolet some insects can see in the

1281
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,520
ultraviolet right and then it has to do

1282
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:47,920
with audio and all it's all connected

1283
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:50,400
it's quite amazing i think there's a lot

1284
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,960
of things that we we don't even detect

1285
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,960
or have perceptions right on and and

1286
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:56,640
there's there's just so many gaps there

1287
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:58,240
that we're having covered that's why

1288
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,520
we're trying to cover

1289
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,760
ultraviolet and deep and far infrared

1290
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,920
and long wave infrared and and try to

1291
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,240
work within that range hoping to capture

1292
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,319
something that might be active in it

1293
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,800
yeah i mean there may be things going on

1294
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,800
around us we have absolutely no idea and

1295
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:15,119
never have all through our history you

1296
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:16,800
know just because we can't detect it in

1297
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,119
certain ways yeah well

1298
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,800
yeah and i just want to interject when

1299
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:23,119
uh this all started with clear

1300
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,319
accidentally i had a uh a 70 000 thermal

1301
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:28,400
camera at my test lab in my company back

1302
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,000
in 2005

1303
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,240
and i had the idea of taking it home and

1304
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,800
recording uh commercial jets i thought

1305
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,319
maybe it might have some limited

1306
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,079
application in

1307
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,079
long-wave astrophotography and no one's

1308
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,680
really doing that and

1309
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:44,079
well the atmospheric

1310
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,839
attenuation didn't allow for that long

1311
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,440
wave infrared to work with his camera

1312
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,520
and i thought well i'll just point it at

1313
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,359
the sky and record a commercial jet

1314
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,960
flying overhead it should look cool and

1315
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:55,280
so i was just trying to get some kicks

1316
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:57,680
and within about 10 minutes of using

1317
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,319
this camera there was uh two large

1318
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,000
anomalous objects that appeared in the

1319
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,480
monitor one was boomerang shaped one was

1320
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,880
v-shaped measuring minus 30 fahrenheit

1321
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:08,319
according to the camera's calibrated

1322
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,760
temperature span

1323
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,000
and i looked up and there was nothing up

1324
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:14,079
in the sky and i continued to record

1325
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:15,920
these things they didn't make any sound

1326
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:18,000
they moved slow they were not bird

1327
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,960
flocks

1328
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,599
and i i i just got super excited i

1329
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,760
couldn't sleep at night the next day i

1330
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,680
set up tried to record stuff couldn't

1331
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:27,200
find anything just birds bugs and

1332
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,920
aircraft and then a few months later i

1333
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,680
decided to resume it and i started

1334
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,599
recording all kinds of anomalous things

1335
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,520
but in many cases

1336
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,920
they're appearing in the thermal camera

1337
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,920
and not just one but several thermal

1338
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,040
cameras

1339
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:43,040
and i'm i look up in the sky and i don't

1340
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,160
see anything

1341
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,400
and then even if i use it at night and

1342
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:47,760
record something

1343
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,640
and i use the gen 3 night vision goggles

1344
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,720
nothing appears so it's like they're

1345
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,000
appearing in a

1346
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:57,200
longer infrared spectrum like long wave

1347
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,559
13 000 14 000 nanometer wavelength

1348
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,000
where where our night vision usually

1349
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,880
cuts off at about 1100 nanometer

1350
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:06,960
so how did you and caroline how did you

1351
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,829
oh caroline you're you're muted caroline

1352
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:15,200
hey martin you might want to get the

1353
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,040
chat yeah so again is it happening again

1354
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:25,190
yeah thank you oh you got it

1355
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:30,400
yeah yeah so uh as i mentioned um i was

1356
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:33,520
uh looking when i stumbled on uh

1357
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:36,960
day uh kevin day he told me that he had

1358
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,520
already spoken with david mason and a

1359
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,440
couple of other scientists they were all

1360
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,079
already part of his team

1361
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,520
so that's why when i met david mason and

1362
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,680
i saw what he was bringing to the table

1363
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:51,760
and the other scientists i thought you

1364
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,040
know this is a no-brainer uh what makes

1365
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,200
this film uh

1366
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,520
very very different or it's already like

1367
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,040
the whole perspective and the whole

1368
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,599
approach is different but in terms of

1369
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,559
instruments it's not that we just had

1370
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:08,880
multiple cameras multiple night vision

1371
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,440
multiple you know just the fleer cameras

1372
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:14,319
we had eight fleer cameras the expensive

1373
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:15,520
kind too

1374
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:16,400
but yeah

1375
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,440
like this

1376
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,920
yeah yeah fifty thousand dollars each so

1377
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,920
we yeah so um

1378
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:23,680
and you have to have large lenses i mean

1379
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,549
range down to minus 80 fahrenheit and

1380
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,880
then be able to do 60 hertz frame rate

1381
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,640
there's differences in clear cameras i

1382
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,640
mean you can buy consumer grade ones

1383
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,160
under a thousand dollars but they're not

1384
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,240
going to work well in video they'll work

1385
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,480
great with still images

1386
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,000
yes

1387
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:46,640
yeah yeah no worries uh yeah so so so

1388
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,640
it's not that it was just those um high

1389
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:53,040
quality equipment that he already had a

1390
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:56,319
multiple of each actually but on top of

1391
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,520
this

1392
00:56:02,390 --> 00:55:59,280
and the triangulation and the different

1393
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,400
angles on top of this we had

1394
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:04,720
original inventions

1395
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:08,240
that you cannot buy this is in david

1396
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:09,280
mason's

1397
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,040
intelligence genius experience who

1398
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:15,760
brought this to the table and i was like

1399
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:18,720
i mean i'm sold there's no

1400
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,599
um

1401
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,440
you know you can go out and buy you know

1402
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,599
expensively or expensive but you can't

1403
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:25,760
buy an invention and so that's the

1404
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:28,400
reason why this is extremely exciting

1405
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,880
even people in ufology who think that

1406
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,319
they know about the instrument or

1407
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,480
they've seen this they've seen that

1408
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,079
we only covered a couple of his

1409
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,319
inventions in the film uh like he was

1410
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:40,480
saying there's more

1411
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:44,400
that makes it very very very uh unique

1412
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,920
and uh very i'm very hopeful because

1413
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,359
imagine what we're going to be doing

1414
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,200
next you know with these types of

1415
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:53,119
inventions the future

1416
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,079
of invest investigating ufology just

1417
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,280
opens up in a whole new way

1418
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,400
i have a question is he here from jay

1419
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,319
allen

1420
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:06,400
uh from skimwalker ranch we heard

1421
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,280
there's a 1.6 gigahertz signal measured

1422
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:10,960
during odd events

1423
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,319
basically l band for the tech savvy

1424
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,400
have they tried to measure that band

1425
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,160
during events have you tried

1426
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:20,720
uh i guess this question is for you dave

1427
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,280
david mason yeah it's a that's a

1428
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:25,119
difficult measurement to make because if

1429
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:26,799
you're using a broadband spectrum

1430
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,280
analyzer you can create perturbations

1431
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:30,960
from like having your cell phone close

1432
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,280
by even though that's 2.4 gigahertz you

1433
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,280
can create heterodyne

1434
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,280
um ghost signals within a spectrum

1435
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:39,119
analyzer where you could have what might

1436
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,200
appear at 1.6 gigahertz um there's also

1437
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:44,960
another thing that people aren't aware

1438
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,079
of it's called glonass and it's

1439
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,480
the russian equivalent to

1440
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:53,280
a gps system where it spans frequencies

1441
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,720
around that that frequency band um so we

1442
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,400
have to be cognizant that there could be

1443
00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:00,400
other possible interferences that may be

1444
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,520
coming in

1445
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:03,359
from at that frequency you can look up

1446
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:04,799
blown apps and

1447
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,839
wikipedia i think it shows the the

1448
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,640
frequencies um

1449
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,200
and there's it's hard to say whether or

1450
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:13,200
not that these objects are actually

1451
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:14,559
transmitting

1452
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:17,520
um rf signals i i i'm kind of the

1453
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,559
believer that rf technology to whatever

1454
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,559
is out there for higher intelligence

1455
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,720
is the equivalent of smoke signals or or

1456
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:27,200
the stone age because when we're working

1457
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:28,559
with light

1458
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:31,599
we are working in the multiple terra

1459
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,400
frequencies when i men mentioned 800

1460
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,960
terahertz i was referring to the ultra

1461
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,200
violet light wave transmitter

1462
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,440
and when we look at our highest rf

1463
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,520
frequencies that are experimental at 500

1464
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:45,599
gigahertz which is not even used in

1465
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,720
commercial uh applications

1466
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,640
we're really jumping that technology

1467
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,880
when we're using a light spectrum and

1468
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,640
it's still the electromagnetic spectrum

1469
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:55,920
and i would think that anything of

1470
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,400
higher intelligence than us is already

1471
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,240
going to be in the light spectrum or in

1472
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:02,240
the gamma spectrum if they're using the

1473
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:03,760
electromagnetic spectrum for

1474
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,440
communication purposes

1475
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,680
but when we're looking at rf signals

1476
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,319
it's a very difficult thing to do

1477
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,160
because you know i've i've worked on

1478
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,000
spectrum analyzers design circuits

1479
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:15,839
within them i've done metrology work

1480
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,880
with them and i know how easy it is to

1481
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,319
create a

1482
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,280
an error display where you overdrive

1483
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:25,920
its mixer and and then you can create

1484
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,000
all these little different signals that

1485
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,599
appear to be ghost frequencies that are

1486
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:31,200
at different spectrums

1487
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,079
and and you have to do pre-selecting

1488
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,799
tuning band pass filtering uh you have

1489
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:38,400
to test the mixer to find out what the

1490
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,799
maximum input signal is before it starts

1491
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:42,160
and those kinds of things and you have

1492
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:43,520
to quantitate it

1493
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:46,720
um and very uh it's a difficult process

1494
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,680
to be to come up with definitive

1495
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:51,839
uh conclusions on if you're spanning and

1496
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:53,839
you see a carrier signal on a spectrum

1497
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:56,640
analyzer as to whether that is our

1498
01:00:02,549 --> 00:59:59,680
technology or something from e.t

1499
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,559
wow i i gotta say something uh mr mason

1500
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:04,160
you certainly seem to know what the heck

1501
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,760
you're talking about

1502
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:07,680
well thank you it's good

1503
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,480
i work i yeah in my company you know i

1504
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:12,400
have a electronic test and measurement

1505
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,440
uh

1506
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,440
mean we we're now mostly just doing

1507
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:18,000
refurbishment and reset seller reselling

1508
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,079
uh state-of-the-art equipment but in the

1509
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,079
past we did a lot of custom engineering

1510
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:24,240
on electronic test equipment and one of

1511
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:27,280
the things i can talk about is i used to

1512
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:29,839
hot rod oscilloscopes and this was the

1513
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,000
tektronix 2213

1514
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:34,720
60 megahertz dual channel scope

1515
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,680
and

1516
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,599
i had a request to make these 100

1517
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,000
megahertz oscilloscopes so take it and

1518
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,480
hot rod it to a much higher rate and i

1519
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:44,079
was successful at doing that and it was

1520
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,240
able to certify that i had it at uh you

1521
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,079
know proper bandwidth and

1522
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,079
uh with only i think two percent

1523
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:52,400
overshoot and no perturbations those

1524
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:53,599
kinds of things

1525
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:55,760
um and so that's the kind of things i

1526
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,160
have a lot of experience on so the way

1527
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,640
my mind works with thinking outside the

1528
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,720
box you know every day i have to do that

1529
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:04,480
at my company so it

1530
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:06,640
my mind will wander onto

1531
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,920
trying out new things and new

1532
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:09,359
technologies

1533
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,720
well it sure sounds like they have the

1534
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,359
right person there so this question i i

1535
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,280
like this question but how the heck can

1536
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,119
they exist in a different like light

1537
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:19,599
spectrum it's about wave waves and

1538
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:22,480
wavelengths yeah vibrational right

1539
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,640
yeah it's a possibility that the reason

1540
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:27,440
why i wasn't able to see them is there's

1541
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:28,799
two things it's either they could be

1542
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:29,920
cloaking

1543
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,280
you know if you want to say you know

1544
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,200
something from science fiction that

1545
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:35,359
maybe they're shifting their spectrum

1546
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,280
and how they do it i don't know i mean

1547
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:39,680
you can put a lot of theory behind it uh

1548
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,480
or

1549
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,720
and they're very low mass

1550
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,400
and translucent

1551
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:46,799
and and just cold temperature for that

1552
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,799
reason and against a a background sky

1553
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,040
i i don't know what what those answers

1554
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,440
are but i do know i have recorded them

1555
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:56,960
where i couldn't witness them in the

1556
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,960
clear camera and i didn't see them with

1557
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:00,960
gen 3 night vision and if anyone's ever

1558
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:03,039
used with gen 3

1559
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,160
image intensifier style night vision

1560
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,240
you nothing can hide i mean especially

1561
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,240
in the night sky and

1562
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:12,400
these things just don't show up

1563
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,319
especially if they're the larger

1564
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:16,559
triangular or cylindrical objects that

1565
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,920
i've recorded

1566
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,680
do you think they're solid objects

1567
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:21,119
possibly

1568
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:23,839
they could be um but then you know what

1569
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,240
what really defies everything is the the

1570
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,480
low temperatures and

1571
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:30,799
and i use scientific cameras that have

1572
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:32,319
passive temperature measurement

1573
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:35,440
capability and i'm aware about how you

1574
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:37,760
can get anomalous temperatures based on

1575
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,160
the emissivity of the objects

1576
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:42,240
but nothing can really explain why they

1577
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:45,200
measure coal because if they were shiny

1578
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:46,640
metallic objects they're going to be

1579
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:49,039
reflecting the earth's surface back to

1580
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:50,559
the camera like a mirror so you'll get a

1581
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,319
higher temperature and then if they are

1582
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:54,480
black body craft

1583
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:55,280
then

1584
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:56,640
they're going to be

1585
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,880
at extremely high altitudes

1586
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,640
and if we do the calculations on

1587
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:02,240
altitude and temperature and we know the

1588
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,599
camera's field of view we can use

1589
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,000
trigonometry and um

1590
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:08,079
they often just measure out extremely

1591
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:11,119
large in size there was one video

1592
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:12,559
i um

1593
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:14,720
examined with um

1594
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:18,240
this was uh william puckett from ufos nw

1595
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,079
he's a meteorologist

1596
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,319
and uh he he said well given its

1597
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,760
temperature which i think it's about

1598
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,920
minus 75 fahrenheit

1599
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:27,760
that this object was at 90 000 feet

1600
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:30,480
altitude then i i did some trigonometry

1601
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,680
and i said well according to the camera

1602
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:33,760
field of view at 90 000 feet this object

1603
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,160
was 2200 feet across

1604
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:38,880
well that's too big i mean

1605
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:41,680
not what would be that big in that cold

1606
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:44,880
and so a lot of it you can't explain it

1607
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,280
by the emissivity rule that happens that

1608
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:49,760
that exists with the thermography

1609
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,680
and i i don't know what these things are

1610
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:53,760
i know that's not our craft i know it's

1611
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,400
not drones i know it's not black project

1612
01:04:01,349 --> 01:03:58,480
aircraft they're not flying them over my

1613
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,359
backyard i mean i i flew a cessna over

1614
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,280
my house uh when i was taking flying

1615
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,520
lessons and i know how highly controlled

1616
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,000
this airspace is just in my neighborhood

1617
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:10,480
you know you

1618
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:12,160
if they're gonna fly strange crap

1619
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,359
they're not gonna be here they're gonna

1620
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:15,520
be elsewhere and

1621
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:16,960
i don't know what these things are i

1622
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,200
certainly know it it's not us

1623
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:21,920
that has been an argument uh many times

1624
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:24,720
um if if the case is that these are

1625
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:26,880
experimental then why the heck would

1626
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:28,960
they be flying them over you know

1627
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:31,680
certain airspace like you're mentioning

1628
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:34,400
right here yeah so yeah and you know i

1629
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:37,760
mean the 2200 feet is not uncommon for

1630
01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:40,640
what people have suggested in some of

1631
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:43,599
the triangular crafts being you know

1632
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:45,680
peter davenport stating that people are

1633
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:48,960
talking about mile or miles wide

1634
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,160
right um during the phoenix flights um

1635
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,960
all this is all very fascinating so

1636
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,400
when i mentioned something go ahead

1637
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:58,319
martin sure yeah go right ahead go ahead

1638
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:01,440
no but i wanted to uh pick uh david

1639
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:04,079
mason's brain about um

1640
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:05,839
you know where could they exist in

1641
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:08,319
another spectrum is it possible because

1642
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:11,359
we know warping i mean warp is warping

1643
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:14,720
is possible is it uh is it possible that

1644
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:18,079
uh they have a way to bend light in in a

1645
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,599
certain way

1646
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:21,440
uh because we know a light bending can

1647
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:23,680
happen if they bend light in a certain

1648
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:26,960
way then from our perspective they look

1649
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,280
like all of a sudden they're no longer

1650
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:31,839
here or they can appear and disappear

1651
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:34,000
and exist in a different spectrum of

1652
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:36,640
light what do you think about that

1653
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,240
well that that could correlate to the

1654
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:40,559
low temperature because of the the

1655
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:42,559
wavelengths are just longer wavelengths

1656
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,920
so if they're if it's like the

1657
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:45,359
equivalent of stretching the light or

1658
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:46,400
changing

1659
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:49,200
uh the frequency of that light

1660
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:51,680
it's theoretically possible uh so that

1661
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:54,480
that could be one of the explanations

1662
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:57,039
uh as to why they're invisible even and

1663
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:59,280
and so and why they measure as cold

1664
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,720
because if you do take

1665
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:02,480
uh because the cold temperature is still

1666
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,880
the electromagnetic spectrum and it's

1667
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,559
just a lower energy

1668
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,400
form of the spectrum

1669
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:10,319
so yeah all

1670
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,240
just about every theory we can throw at

1671
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,880
it is applicable i mean

1672
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:16,400
all we do know is that they do measure

1673
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:17,680
cold

1674
01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:19,280
you know speaking of

1675
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:20,720
cold you know when

1676
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:23,119
an aircraft one of our commercial air

1677
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:25,599
aircraft for instance is at 30 000 feet

1678
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:28,799
it can be 30 minus 30 um

1679
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:31,200
on the temperature out there at 90 000

1680
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,680
feet it doesn't actually go that cold

1681
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:36,079
are you saying this is separately cold

1682
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,240
oh it goes it goes colder i've had some

1683
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:40,640
measure down to minus 80 fahrenheit

1684
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,599
and a commercial jet is going to have a

1685
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:45,520
high

1686
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:47,599
emissivity or a low emissivity it's very

1687
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:49,680
reflective so every time i measure a

1688
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:51,599
commercial giant flowing flying overhead

1689
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:54,559
whether it's at 30 000 feet or 35 000 or

1690
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,599
7 500 most of them i see are around 7

1691
01:07:02,789 --> 01:06:58,960
500

1692
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:02,799
they measure about plus 50 or even um

1693
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:05,599
plus you know 30 somewhere in that range

1694
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:07,680
because they're reflecting the heat of

1695
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:10,000
the earth's surface back to the camera

1696
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:12,000
like a mirror so i can't really get an

1697
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:13,680
accurate temperature of the commercial

1698
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:14,400
jet

1699
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:16,480
so it just registers high

1700
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,799
higher than it really is and and that's

1701
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,400
just because of the reflection if it was

1702
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:22,559
a black-bodied aircraft and it didn't

1703
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,400
have friction heat from uh from

1704
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,480
air friction at velocity then i would be

1705
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:30,480
able to get a more accurate temperature

1706
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:32,240
measurement doing the passive

1707
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,799
thermal camera measurement but

1708
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,880
it what makes this thing so unique is

1709
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,319
the fact that i get cold temperature

1710
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,720
measurements it is

1711
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:42,400
no matter what you do with the scale

1712
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:45,359
whether the craft is flat black or shiny

1713
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:46,240
metal

1714
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:48,960
you can't explain why we have

1715
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:51,680
these cold temperatures and that's what

1716
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,880
is really what makes this mystery deeper

1717
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:56,640
right and this could be some type of

1718
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:59,280
science that we may discover along the

1719
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:01,920
way and you may have some of the first

1720
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:03,280
knowledge of it

1721
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:05,119
it could be uh it's like when the first

1722
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:07,200
person that used the microscope and said

1723
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,440
hey there's little critters uh swimming

1724
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:11,839
around in water and

1725
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:13,280
they were laughed at they said well that

1726
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:14,799
can't exist

1727
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,640
uh you know we've had we've had a lot of

1728
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:17,759
people

1729
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,480
in science say some really dumb things

1730
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:22,080
that where they they said we couldn't go

1731
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:23,920
to the moon we couldn't travel we

1732
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:25,359
couldn't fly

1733
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,719
uh we even had a tech guy say very

1734
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:31,520
famous tech guy olad uh saying that the

1735
01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:34,000
apple iphone was gonna be worthless

1736
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:36,839
because it didn't have a keyboard

1737
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,839
um i remember no yeah yeah yeah i mean

1738
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:41,920
obviously somebody didn't have vision

1739
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:43,520
and so

1740
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:44,640
we

1741
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:50,239
who pontificate their beliefs

1742
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,920
and not really wanting to open their

1743
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:53,759
minds of the other possibilities that

1744
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:54,960
are out there

1745
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,359
right i like the one that if you go

1746
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,040
faster than a mile a minute your heart

1747
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:01,359
will stop

1748
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,880
they probably did that experiment after

1749
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:04,400
they pushed someone off a building and

1750
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:07,120
watched them

1751
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,520
and it was true uh so mary grace always

1752
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,679
has great questions could this type of

1753
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:13,920
communication with light be why our

1754
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,679
minds can receive

1755
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:18,000
esp messages

1756
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,560
anyone want to tackle that in particular

1757
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:22,480
that's an interesting idea

1758
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,159
if something is maybe coming in through

1759
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:26,480
our eyes and sending us

1760
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:27,920
something to our head but we're not

1761
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,319
acknowledging or cognizant of it that's

1762
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,880
an interesting concept

1763
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:35,279
and light is information i mean we're

1764
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,159
bombarded with light uh we are emitting

1765
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,480
light i mean that's a proven fact you

1766
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,040
can there's biophoton measurements

1767
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:45,440
coming out of the body so we know that

1768
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:48,719
there's some sort of a light exchange

1769
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:51,920
and uh light is communication like david

1770
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,719
was mentioning in the film when they are

1771
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:56,239
just uh

1772
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:02,149
what do you call david oh my god they're

1773
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,760
just when they're modulating or yeah

1774
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:05,199
they're modulating they're modulating

1775
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,719
yeah if they're changing intensity and

1776
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:08,320
that's where i

1777
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:09,120
yeah

1778
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:10,159
with

1779
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:14,480
they're they're pulsing lights

1780
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:16,159
and you know i think that has to be

1781
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:18,080
information it's not

1782
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:19,840
they don't need lights for navigation or

1783
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:21,679
it's not their propulsion system it has

1784
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:22,960
to be some something that they're

1785
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,640
putting out their information so they

1786
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:26,000
can be seen

1787
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:27,679
yeah now one of the things that she that

1788
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:30,080
the earlier question came in about light

1789
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:32,880
and esp and how that could relate to our

1790
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,120
how our minds respond i know that some

1791
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:37,679
people who have epileptic

1792
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:42,239
seizures can respond to strobes of light

1793
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:44,960
certain strobe frequencies can

1794
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:47,280
perpetuate it or or instigate it to

1795
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,239
occur

1796
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,920
and that research was done about 30

1797
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:51,440
years ago and so

1798
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:52,880
if you think about that if that would

1799
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:54,640
trigger that that there must be

1800
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:56,800
something that is received within our

1801
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:58,000
eyes just the way the lights are

1802
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:59,920
modulated that it would change the way

1803
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:00,880
we think

1804
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,760
if it affects people who have epilepsy

1805
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,000
and also we hear a lot about the

1806
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:07,920
connection between the esp and the

1807
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:10,800
pineal gland and the pineal gland is

1808
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,400
what a you know it absorbs

1809
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:14,719
light uh so i wonder if there's a

1810
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:16,800
correlation there as well

1811
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,120
that it absorbs light whether your eyes

1812
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:21,600
are open or closed it's just

1813
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,880
um the brain is absorbing uh light

1814
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,120
whether you see it or not it's just

1815
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,040
still absorbing and you're getting an

1816
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,280
esp experience there's there's some

1817
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,840
research being done on that as well

1818
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:35,679
yeah and also just the fact that bright

1819
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:37,360
lights tend to liven up people's

1820
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:40,480
lifestyles they say that

1821
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:41,600
depression

1822
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,199
if they feel depressed you know that if

1823
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,800
bright lights are around them

1824
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,880
there's light therapy for people who are

1825
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:48,880
usually depressed in the winter months

1826
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:51,280
so there's certainly a cognitive

1827
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,239
response to like hypnosis

1828
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,159
yeah

1829
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:58,400
hypnosis through through through life

1830
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:00,960
yeah a lot of um hypnotherapists use a

1831
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:05,830
for hypnosis

1832
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,280
how about that uh so dave since dave

1833
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,840
david altman um yes just to get a

1834
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,840
question to you um

1835
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,080
how much time did you spend on that

1836
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:18,719
rooftop and was that your primary thing

1837
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:21,520
to do is to to search the skies was that

1838
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:24,080
is that was that your only job to do

1839
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:25,360
during this film

1840
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,080
i wish

1841
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:28,480
[Laughter]

1842
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,040
uh no i i did a lot of research

1843
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:33,360
historical research on the area

1844
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:34,640
of catalina

1845
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,719
and laguna and just that you know the

1846
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:38,159
whole area where the nimitz encounter

1847
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:39,199
happened

1848
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:42,800
um also um

1849
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:43,920
i

1850
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:49,120
yeah we had we had two separate hotel

1851
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,280
roofs that we were at

1852
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:53,040
um that we filmed that

1853
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,640
so you know did that and a little bit of

1854
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:58,239
everything you know

1855
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,640
yeah yeah great multi-task

1856
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:03,199
did you have to haul that equipment on

1857
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,719
golf carts is that what you ended up

1858
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:06,719
doing from the boat

1859
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,280
from the plane did you fly in there yeah

1860
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:11,760
so we had to take the ferry over

1861
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,360
okay so we had to

1862
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:15,840
there was only three of us and one of us

1863
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:17,679
couldn't carry anything so there was

1864
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,199
actually two of us

1865
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:21,600
that had to carry all the stuff

1866
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:24,080
onto the ferry off the ferry

1867
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,800
from the ferry to the hotel

1868
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,640
up and down the roofs

1869
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:30,719
three or four times we're talking you

1870
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:33,360
know 13 floors 14 floors

1871
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,880
it was it was brutal it was really

1872
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:36,960
brutal and the only unfortunate thing is

1873
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:37,760
like

1874
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,679
by time i was done lugging that stuff up

1875
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:41,440
i didn't want to look at ufos anymore i

1876
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:42,960
wanted to go to bed

1877
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:43,840
you know

1878
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:47,280
something that didn't matter anymore

1879
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:49,280
sleeping didn't matter

1880
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:51,920
yeah all i wanted to do was film

1881
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,199
right right here's a uh a different uh

1882
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:57,120
interesting question please discuss the

1883
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,800
question of whether or not

1884
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,199
the ets might be aware of your project

1885
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,840
your instrument etc uh first of all we

1886
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:05,760
don't really know if these are ets i

1887
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,400
mean my my personal feeling i have no we

1888
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:10,480
have no idea what they whatever they are

1889
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,159
we really don't know for sure what they

1890
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:14,719
are that's my opinion but uh you know

1891
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:16,320
you can challenge that any one of you

1892
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:18,560
but i i think it's likely that it's

1893
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:22,239
possible that it's et's but i don't know

1894
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:23,840
but yeah anyone want to tackle that

1895
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:26,400
question whether i can

1896
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:29,760
go ahead okay um you know again as i was

1897
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,239
saying this film one it was

1898
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:34,480
going to be very scientific nuts and

1899
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:37,520
bolts science you know but i personally

1900
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,840
have had so many experiences like that

1901
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:41,600
that i know there's some sort of

1902
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:43,600
connection communication or what have

1903
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:47,679
you and so you know uh before

1904
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,880
the film as uh i think you and i talked

1905
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:52,560
briefly i

1906
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:55,120
i i knew something was coming through

1907
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,520
like it was like i had the intuition

1908
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,520
to go out and make this film in this way

1909
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:01,679
i had the intuition two years ago to

1910
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,080
call the film a tear in the sky

1911
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:06,400
uh which eventually we ended up

1912
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:08,640
capturing some sort of tear in the sky

1913
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:11,679
so so i feel like um

1914
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:14,080
whether it's ets or some other higher

1915
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:17,440
intelligence out there i personally felt

1916
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,280
from the beginning that there was some

1917
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:20,960
sort of guidance

1918
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:24,159
to go out and do it in this way with

1919
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,719
this at that location and things like

1920
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:28,640
that and that's one of the reason as

1921
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:31,280
much as it was expensive and very very

1922
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,840
risky because this was never done before

1923
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:35,840
this team had never done it before we

1924
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,560
had never even met before we never met

1925
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:40,560
before everybody was in a different

1926
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,040
parts of the country we literally flew

1927
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:44,960
everybody and met for the first time the

1928
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:46,880
production had never done anything like

1929
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:48,640
this before triangulating in three

1930
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,800
locations plus covid

1931
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:52,080
that's

1932
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,840
so it was very very very risky and yet i

1933
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,199
could tell

1934
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:59,360
there was some sort of help or some sort

1935
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,840
of something and so so i couldn't bring

1936
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,679
it into the film like i said because

1937
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:05,440
that wasn't the angle and nobody was

1938
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,159
interested but i personally was like in

1939
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:10,480
my hotel room i was like okay guys

1940
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:12,239
please something

1941
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,440
show up show up another uh piece of

1942
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:17,520
information that came through

1943
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:21,440
was that july 14th i kept feeling that

1944
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,560
july 14 has to be july 14th and so sure

1945
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:27,040
enough that was the first sighting that

1946
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:31,040
came from dave altman uh was july 14th

1947
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:33,679
so what i'm saying is i kept

1948
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,880
feeling that they kind of knew whoever

1949
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:38,320
they are

1950
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:40,000
um and

1951
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:43,440
in such a short time to be able to

1952
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:46,320
capture that amount

1953
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:50,239
of data in five days

1954
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:52,640
um hundreds of hours of data that we

1955
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:54,560
haven't gone through yet but just the

1956
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:56,880
ones that we captured in the film

1957
01:17:02,790 --> 01:16:59,679
it's pretty incredible i mean think

1958
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:02,800
about that and not only just any data of

1959
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:04,880
course there's the the orbs and the you

1960
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:07,920
know the things that uh um were captured

1961
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:09,679
from catalina but

1962
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:13,120
very unusual anomalies the ones that are

1963
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:15,679
raining down in the water and that of

1964
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:18,400
course that famous tear in the sky

1965
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,600
you know

1966
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:21,840
i mean i don't know

1967
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:24,640
if this would have happened if there was

1968
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,080
really no

1969
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:28,320
connection to what we were trying to

1970
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:30,880
capture that's my take that's my theory

1971
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:33,600
that's my opinion it's not scientific

1972
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,390
well interesting

1973
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:42,159
here is another

1974
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:43,360
question

1975
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:46,640
i guess i direct this to you uh david

1976
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:49,120
mason could it be the ufo's gravity

1977
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:52,000
field bending the light spectrum

1978
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:53,840
uh yes it could be

1979
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:55,440
uh there could they could be some kind

1980
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:57,120
of a field if it's a gravity field that

1981
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:59,040
may be shifting spectrum to make it long

1982
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:01,120
wave infrared where i'm just barely

1983
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,400
detecting it

1984
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,960
um and and these objects that i record i

1985
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:06,480
have to have a

1986
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:09,520
clear sky it can be daytime or night but

1987
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,199
as long as i have a cloudless sky

1988
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,120
and low humidity because that's how you

1989
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:17,360
get the lower background temperature of

1990
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:20,159
the sky otherwise um

1991
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:22,400
if you're in a high humidity warm

1992
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:24,960
environment the larger cold objects get

1993
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:27,920
lost within that

1994
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,000
that warmer environment because it just

1995
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,880
gets dominated by a higher temperature

1996
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:34,159
i see

1997
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,760
here's a question

1998
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:37,600
go ahead go ahead and finish

1999
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:39,199
oh i was just going to say i was i could

2000
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,719
say i could agree with that question

2001
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:42,560
that that's a possibility

2002
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:44,080
i see okay

2003
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:46,080
so um

2004
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:48,560
flares here's one to the to yeah this

2005
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,040
was flares right off of san diego didn't

2006
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:53,040
they didn't they i think they confirmed

2007
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,640
that was flares

2008
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,040
yeah so uh a lot of people are seeing

2009
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:58,800
this in the news that there was a mass

2010
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:01,280
sighting off of san diego i believe it

2011
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:04,159
was last night and uh that i think

2012
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:05,920
that's pretty well confirmed that that

2013
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:09,440
was military flares

2014
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:10,800
um so

2015
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:16,070
so

2016
01:19:23,669 --> 01:19:21,600
was very heavily involved in the phoenix

2017
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:23,679
lights um incident

2018
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:24,400
so

2019
01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:26,560
never heard of questions what's that

2020
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:28,640
never heard of tom king yeah that's

2021
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:29,360
right

2022
01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:31,120
so anyone in chat that would like to

2023
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:33,199
pose a question please do put it in caps

2024
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:35,360
carolina you okay still hanging out with

2025
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:38,159
us yeah sure did you want me to stay or

2026
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:39,679
oh yeah yeah we'd love you to stay on

2027
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:42,800
yeah sure this is all fun uh eventually

2028
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:45,679
i'm going to get to the question

2029
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,400
about um you know before the show's over

2030
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:50,719
i want to get in the question

2031
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,560
of of the anomaly and what has been

2032
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:56,640
discovered since then we can save that

2033
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:57,760
for a little

2034
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:00,880
while longer but caroline before that

2035
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:02,960
um is answered can you tell me a little

2036
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:06,000
bit about the title of the the film and

2037
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,840
why you named it that

2038
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:09,199
yeah so

2039
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:11,920
a couple of years ago i i had when i had

2040
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:14,400
the idea of making the film uh i thought

2041
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:16,960
okay what do i call it and you know a

2042
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:19,199
tear in the sky i wanted something about

2043
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:21,520
an opening some sort of

2044
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:24,400
you know portal or some because my

2045
01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:27,280
theory my idea is that if there were if

2046
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:29,679
there is a technology whether it's ours

2047
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:32,880
or extraterrestrial it doesn't matter

2048
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:36,239
because we are observing anomalous

2049
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:38,719
behavior you know things fly things

2050
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:42,239
appearing disappearing warping uh space

2051
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,480
or bending light or doing these types of

2052
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:47,120
things there's got to be something in

2053
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:49,360
the fabric of space-time it's you know

2054
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:51,360
fabric of space itself

2055
01:20:57,510 --> 01:20:54,080
that allows such a thing to happen and

2056
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:57,520
to me these are specific points that

2057
01:21:02,950 --> 01:20:59,600
that people call hot spots

2058
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:02,960
so so i want to understand for me it's

2059
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:04,880
not just about ufos

2060
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:07,679
it's the mechanics of the universe what

2061
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:10,239
is it in the universe

2062
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:13,040
in our space that allows such a

2063
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:16,000
technology to exist and so because

2064
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:19,040
that's my focus i want to focus on

2065
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:22,719
that portal potential that tear that

2066
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:24,880
wormhole

2067
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:27,679
idea so that's why i called it a tear in

2068
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:28,800
the sky

2069
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:31,440
and then at the end sure enough when we

2070
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,000
ended up discovering that discovery it

2071
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,239
was mind-blowing like what did we just

2072
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:39,040
record an actual opening in the sky

2073
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:39,920
so

2074
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:42,080
yeah again like i said it's kind of

2075
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:43,679
everything came full circle with this

2076
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:46,239
film it's it's pretty incredible

2077
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:47,440
and you had

2078
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:50,719
people like matt matthew and

2079
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:51,679
kevin

2080
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:53,440
and you had a few other people there

2081
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:55,760
that are really um

2082
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:57,520
incredible scientists

2083
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:58,800
and

2084
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:01,520
has that particular

2085
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:04,880
phenomenon what it ever it was is that a

2086
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:07,280
possibility of some new science

2087
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,719
discovery

2088
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:10,880
or what do we know about it at this

2089
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:11,840
point

2090
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:14,480
yeah i'm glad you asked because

2091
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,360
um so during the filming and after you

2092
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:19,600
know as as the scientists kept looking

2093
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:22,560
uh into the file you know the raw files

2094
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,880
so people will see it in the film but i

2095
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,400
mean of course the first thing we think

2096
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,159
about camera glitch it's not a camera

2097
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:30,320
glitch because we have controls we had

2098
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:33,199
just before just after we have days you

2099
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,080
know same angle of the camera capturing

2100
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:38,800
you know the same frames and exactly at

2101
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,440
that moment you know we see this opening

2102
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:43,920
we have also correlation with radar a

2103
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:46,719
radar is picking up on reflective

2104
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:49,199
objects it's not picking up on radiation

2105
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,120
it's not picking up on city lights it's

2106
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,520
not picking up on star fields it's

2107
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:55,840
picking up on objects so

2108
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:58,719
oh how do you explain and of course they

2109
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:01,199
they were you know they they check with

2110
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:03,600
nasa with solar flares with maybe it's

2111
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:06,719
some sort of anomaly even atmospheric

2112
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:08,960
anomaly we're okay with that it's just

2113
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:11,600
that across the board there's nothing

2114
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:15,120
that explains an opening and closing

2115
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:18,320
and actual reflective objects appearing

2116
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:22,400
so uh like i was saying uh dave um

2117
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:25,600
kevin knuth and matthew were just

2118
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:29,199
presented that that uh information to

2119
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:30,800
hundreds of scientists who were sitting

2120
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:33,840
in the room at the at the scu conference

2121
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:35,840
and also remotely

2122
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,320
yeah and remotely as well and i have

2123
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,000
been putting out this information as

2124
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:42,639
well you know we're saying any scientist

2125
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:45,520
any atmosphere science

2126
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,480
expert anybody who has any sort of

2127
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:50,000
explanation

2128
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:51,040
um

2129
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:54,320
you know let us know and so also since

2130
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:57,040
then now that's that's different

2131
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,480
uh since the film uh we also have been

2132
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:02,480
trying to get additional data for

2133
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,310
satellite imagery so oh i have

2134
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,159
personally contacted friends of mine who

2135
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:12,239
have satellite um

2136
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:14,800
companies who you know who are looking

2137
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,199
trying to get that but also the team

2138
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:19,440
jeremy's been trying and the other team

2139
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:22,080
members have been trying to get um

2140
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,040
that sort of satellite imagery even

2141
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:27,600
through the freedom of information act

2142
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:30,480
and contacting you know people we know

2143
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,840
at the dod and you know nasa

2144
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:35,280
you name it like

2145
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:37,040
maybe a dozen

2146
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:39,679
uh legitimate governmental and private

2147
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:42,639
organizations and we finally

2148
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:45,440
either we get answers such as we don't

2149
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:49,520
have the data or we did get a response

2150
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:51,840
from the reconnaissance

2151
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:54,960
office saying it is classified

2152
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:58,960
meaning they have satellite data uh

2153
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:01,040
of of the area

2154
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:05,040
of of the whole you know whatever except

2155
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:08,719
uh the time and the date and time uh

2156
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,040
that we were requesting

2157
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:13,199
they said we have it but you can't have

2158
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:16,880
it it is classified what does that mean

2159
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:19,440
that's uh that's been kind of like a

2160
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:20,400
question

2161
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:22,239
you know with these con with the

2162
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:23,360
hearings

2163
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:25,520
like um i thought that was pretty

2164
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:26,719
interesting

2165
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:29,679
that they kept going back to whether it

2166
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:31,280
was classified or not whether they'd

2167
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:34,239
have the ability to share it um you know

2168
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:35,760
whether it would show their ways and

2169
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,000
means but i mean if their ways and means

2170
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,400
also showed that it was extraterrestrial

2171
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,560
does that mean we would never know

2172
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:44,800
exactly but but if there was nothing

2173
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:49,590
so

2174
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:52,239
of course maybe it is a you know black

2175
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:54,880
project or whatever i mean of course

2176
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:58,080
regardless the point being

2177
01:26:01,830 --> 01:26:00,239
we captured something

2178
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:01,840
that's that i mean if anything it

2179
01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:05,280
validates just that one point

2180
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:08,000
whether it ends up being an nsa question

2181
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:10,080
or an extraterrestrial regardless this

2182
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:12,080
means that we captured something

2183
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:13,600
anomalous or

2184
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:16,080
that we cannot

2185
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:18,239
know more about which means we're on the

2186
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:20,960
right track we did capture something

2187
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:23,040
i think if it was something military we

2188
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,480
would know by now because the movie

2189
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:26,400
would not be up on amazon

2190
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,560
yeah exactly that's what i'm saying so

2191
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:30,639
that's a good point as well

2192
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,840
and so i think the guys are appealing uh

2193
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:35,760
you know so this is kind of where we're

2194
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:36,719
at

2195
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:41,600
even more

2196
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:44,960
uh that and and come on like i haven't

2197
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:48,239
had one scientist come up with any

2198
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:50,480
reasonable explanation

2199
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:53,280
i mean and this was a this was like a

2200
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,639
a hole in what like a hole in the

2201
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:59,040
atmosphere it's a tear in the sky

2202
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:01,360
so basically it looked for the way it's

2203
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:03,440
thanksgiving on camera people will see

2204
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:06,000
it it looks like a cloud it looks like a

2205
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:08,800
cloud that opens and closes like that

2206
01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:11,440
but the thing what's bizarre is is those

2207
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:12,639
objects

2208
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:14,480
that's what so when people look at it

2209
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:17,199
you know you may say oh maybe it's it's

2210
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:18,960
the city lights in the background or

2211
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:21,360
star but it doesn't make sense because

2212
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:23,679
because it's only showing through this

2213
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,400
one part of the frame

2214
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:28,480
does that make sense

2215
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:31,199
so so that's not a camera glitch that's

2216
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:33,679
not you know if we see starfield then we

2217
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:36,000
should see star fields like why

2218
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:40,800
you know plus plus when that um cloud

2219
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:44,080
thing closes you still have an object

2220
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:47,360
popping out of it it's very very clear

2221
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:49,199
on camera you can see that actually we

2222
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:51,040
have a few objects popping but one of

2223
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:53,120
them is like super clear it just pops

2224
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:54,400
out

2225
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:56,000
and so that's what

2226
01:27:59,910 --> 01:27:57,360
yeah i mean

2227
01:28:01,750 --> 01:27:59,920
it's this or that we're not like wanting

2228
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,760
it to of course i want it to be a portal

2229
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:03,600
but i'm not going to say it

2230
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:05,760
you know but the point being it's pretty

2231
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:07,199
bizarre

2232
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:09,440
that not one

2233
01:28:14,709 --> 01:28:12,400
credible scientist comes up with some

2234
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,719
sort of explanation like like yeah we

2235
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:16,960
see these things in outer space or we've

2236
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:19,360
seen this before or this could be

2237
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:22,080
nothing nor has it tried anyone tried to

2238
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:23,840
debunk it not that i'm saying it's

2239
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:25,199
anything i don't know i mean i don't

2240
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,719
know what it is i'm not a scientist you

2241
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:28,400
know we don't know what it is we're not

2242
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:30,320
claiming anything but we're saying right

2243
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:33,520
right with czar yeah debunked it no

2244
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,199
one's also

2245
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:37,920
no no legitimate organization has

2246
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:41,600
requested you know like uh has

2247
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,400
any theory that could would make sense

2248
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:46,560
plus now with the foia

2249
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:49,360
you know letter rejection letter

2250
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:52,080
basically saying it's classified

2251
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:53,840
put the two and two together it starts

2252
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:56,239
to kind of or the or it is classified

2253
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,600
and they know and they're laughing at us

2254
01:29:01,830 --> 01:28:59,040
behind their backs

2255
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:01,840
you know like they probably are but but

2256
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,239
that but that doesn't change the fact no

2257
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:06,480
i don't yeah we must be on to something

2258
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:08,400
because there it is classified does that

2259
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:10,480
make sense right right

2260
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:13,199
uh dave mason what did you think of of

2261
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:15,600
that anomaly with uh with all the

2262
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:16,800
because of your background with

2263
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:19,040
equipment and testing

2264
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:21,280
okay so that a particular camera was

2265
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:23,520
recorded with the ufo dap camera and

2266
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:25,600
that's owned by carolyn cory but the

2267
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,520
data i don't have copies of that data

2268
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:29,679
that that's actually uh

2269
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,600
um was not under

2270
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:33,920
my examination i have the flare videos

2271
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:36,159
and the 600 i also have the original but

2272
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:37,920
i didn't have so unfortunately i don't

2273
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:38,960
have

2274
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:41,120
um the data so i really can't give an

2275
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:43,600
intelligent answer or comment on it and

2276
01:29:48,149 --> 01:29:45,760
as far as doing any kind of forensics on

2277
01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:48,159
that particular anomaly

2278
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,560
okay very good here's another question

2279
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:52,560
that came up and this kind of has to do

2280
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,440
what we're talking about with the

2281
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:56,000
government with just a few minutes ago

2282
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:58,639
uh when we confirm beyond a any doubt

2283
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:01,040
that we're not alone and we figure out

2284
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:03,199
uaps

2285
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:05,040
what they are would you trust our

2286
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:08,800
government who's been covering this for

2287
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,000
decades to make first contact

2288
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:13,920
um does anybody want to tackle that in

2289
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:16,000
particular

2290
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:17,920
i think it depends on

2291
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:22,639
individuals within government because

2292
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:24,239
you have some individuals who would want

2293
01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:26,800
to use it for empowerment and possibly

2294
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:28,560
abuse and then other individuals who

2295
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:30,560
would like to use it for enlightenment

2296
01:30:36,550 --> 01:30:31,360
and

2297
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:36,560
mean if you think about it if we

2298
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:38,960
recovered a um

2299
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:40,960
some technology where we were able to

2300
01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:43,520
reverse engineer it if it fell into the

2301
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:44,800
wrong hands

2302
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:47,199
uh it could certainly be used in abusive

2303
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:49,440
ways and if it fell in the right hands

2304
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:52,800
it could be used in positive ways and so

2305
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:54,880
i think we still have a long way to go

2306
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:56,000
as far as

2307
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:57,280
as a world

2308
01:31:03,110 --> 01:30:59,199
society

2309
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:03,120
for us to responsibly handle uh new

2310
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:05,679
newly discovered technology uh sort of

2311
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:07,920
like you know given the matches to the

2312
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,880
uh to the to the monkeys you know and

2313
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:12,960
orangutans you know or if we gave him a

2314
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:14,960
machine gun what would they do with it

2315
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:16,480
would they protect themselves or shoot

2316
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:18,320
each other

2317
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:20,080
i'd have them would it even be first

2318
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:22,480
contact because from what i've learned

2319
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:29,990
i i had an astrophysicist on the show i

2320
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:32,880
just love his his comment he said that

2321
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:35,760
when he was speaking with his fellows at

2322
01:31:39,430 --> 01:31:36,880
nasa

2323
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:39,440
um privately about you know the ufo

2324
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:42,880
topic and life elsewhere or whatever

2325
01:31:48,149 --> 01:31:45,840
they kind of all agreed that if there's

2326
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:48,159
a society that can make it through the

2327
01:31:52,629 --> 01:31:50,560
bottleneck of technology without blowing

2328
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:52,639
themselves up that they'll be traveling

2329
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:54,800
the stars and exploring

2330
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:57,600
and i i think we're we're not too far

2331
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:58,800
away from the

2332
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:00,800
that tipping point whether we're going

2333
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:02,960
to uh you know we always feel like we

2334
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:04,560
are anyway we have all the nuclear

2335
01:32:07,270 --> 01:32:05,760
warheads and

2336
01:32:08,709 --> 01:32:07,280
um there's no

2337
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:08,719
things we're doing to our environment

2338
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:10,320
and all that stuff so

2339
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:13,040
yeah it's it's tricky whether whether we

2340
01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:15,520
yeah whether we handle it responsibly

2341
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:16,960
and you know that's that's a big

2342
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:18,400
question

2343
01:32:22,149 --> 01:32:21,199
yeah yeah but i mean while we're on this

2344
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:22,159
subject

2345
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:24,719
um if anyone can tackle this but do you

2346
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,600
think that if we did find that there's

2347
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:29,040
intelligent life

2348
01:32:34,870 --> 01:32:31,520
out there do you think it would bring

2349
01:32:37,590 --> 01:32:34,880
our tribal census together as a whole as

2350
01:32:40,229 --> 01:32:37,600
a whole community more than it is now or

2351
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:40,239
do you think it would just be status quo

2352
01:32:43,510 --> 01:32:41,840
anyone

2353
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:43,520
i think it would enhance us

2354
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:46,239
people would be super excited uh and it

2355
01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:47,840
would actually distract from all the

2356
01:32:51,669 --> 01:32:49,360
world politics

2357
01:32:53,910 --> 01:32:51,679
and we would probably set aside a lot of

2358
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:53,920
our differences and and there would some

2359
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:55,280
camaraderie

2360
01:33:00,390 --> 01:32:58,320
um some alliances where we would

2361
01:33:01,990 --> 01:33:00,400
recognize that there's something larger

2362
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:02,000
than us and bigger than us that we need

2363
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:03,280
to uh

2364
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:04,639
acknowledge

2365
01:33:08,709 --> 01:33:06,719
the whole ronald reagan thing

2366
01:33:12,709 --> 01:33:08,719
yes exactly yeah

2367
01:33:15,350 --> 01:33:12,719
no i i i would hope so i would hope so

2368
01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:15,360
that would be nice too nice to uh

2369
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:19,280
to solve that so moving forward as

2370
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:20,639
far as

2371
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:24,880
um this this movie caroline um

2372
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:26,639
do you have something else would you

2373
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:28,800
like to continue on this type of thing i

2374
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:31,280
mean it's a great theory to have this

2375
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:33,520
equipment have scientists involved is

2376
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:34,880
there going to be

2377
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:37,440
have you considered a part two or

2378
01:33:41,350 --> 01:33:39,840
or more uh more of the same or something

2379
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:41,360
similar

2380
01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:44,800
yeah absolutely because of what we were

2381
01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:47,520
able to accomplish in these five days

2382
01:33:51,669 --> 01:33:50,080
and like i said getting more validation

2383
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:51,679
more data

2384
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:52,639
um

2385
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:55,440
showing uh proving or validating that

2386
01:34:00,070 --> 01:33:58,320
we're on the right track uh of course

2387
01:34:01,590 --> 01:34:00,080
we're gonna have to

2388
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:01,600
continue so i'm actually in

2389
01:34:07,669 --> 01:34:04,800
pre-production right now

2390
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:07,679
yeah yeah because uh yeah i mean how can

2391
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:10,639
we stop now especially that we learn so

2392
01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:12,560
much you know because that was never

2393
01:34:18,229 --> 01:34:15,600
done before in this way and with david's

2394
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:18,239
equipment you know everybody was was

2395
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:20,320
kind of trying to figure it out and we

2396
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:21,920
still managed to

2397
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:23,440
get so much

2398
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:25,840
so now moving forward it will only get

2399
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:28,320
better because we're gonna pick and

2400
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:30,880
choose the equipment that worked that

2401
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:34,080
didn't work that we can change enhance

2402
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:36,159
um

2403
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:38,320
yeah triangulation do we need this the

2404
01:34:45,430 --> 01:34:42,320
same way uh everything and so uh we're

2405
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:45,440
definitely gonna continue because uh

2406
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:47,360
it's i think it's pretty incredible what

2407
01:34:51,109 --> 01:34:49,360
we were able to accomplish already

2408
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:51,119
especially when you hear the government

2409
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:52,239
you know

2410
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:54,960
uh in the congressional hearings telling

2411
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:57,440
us uh yeah yeah but we don't have any

2412
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:00,719
data you know we have those uh 400 cases

2413
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:02,960
or 200 cases i don't remember but we

2414
01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:05,360
don't have enough data we don't and and

2415
01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:08,159
we are civilians i mean you know we just

2416
01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:10,400
go out with this equipment yes it is

2417
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:12,639
high-end some of it is normal but a lot

2418
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:15,679
of it was a very high-end equipment and

2419
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:19,040
in five days we capture what we see you

2420
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:20,880
see in the film but again this is the

2421
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:22,560
film we're not going to spend three

2422
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:25,360
hours putting all the scientific detail

2423
01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:27,840
you know it's just enough to show this

2424
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:30,480
is anomalous because this this and that

2425
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:32,080
and then behind it there's still

2426
01:35:36,709 --> 01:35:34,320
hundreds of hours of data so we're

2427
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:36,719
civilians and in five days we're able to

2428
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:39,679
capture uh that that amount of that

2429
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:42,560
quality and that type of data

2430
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:43,440
so

2431
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:46,080
i'm i'm thinking now the government they

2432
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:48,320
can't be and it's out in the public it's

2433
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:50,400
more in the mainstream i want to

2434
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:53,360
continue doing that to push the envelope

2435
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:56,080
you know to force i mean force you don't

2436
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:58,159
force but i mean hopefully for them to

2437
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:00,239
come out and start saying

2438
01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:03,040
we have data how could they not or at

2439
01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:05,199
least at least legitimate data

2440
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:07,600
legitimate data uh you know with all the

2441
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:10,480
radars and the satellites they have 24 7

2442
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:13,360
with the multi-million dollar you know

2443
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:15,840
equipment they have you can't you know

2444
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:17,840
we're civilians with that much data and

2445
01:36:21,669 --> 01:36:19,520
they you know they can't they can't come

2446
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:21,679
out and say we don't or we can't so

2447
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:23,360
that's kind of what i'm hoping to do

2448
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:25,520
with this type of film just push this

2449
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:28,400
whole disclosure thing forward

2450
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:30,080
i listened to the

2451
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:34,560
the zoom conversation of nasa discussing

2452
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:37,440
the other day discussing um their look

2453
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:40,719
into the uap topic with a budget of get

2454
01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:42,800
this are you ready one hundred thousand

2455
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:43,920
dollars

2456
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:44,880
um

2457
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:46,719
so i i don't think

2458
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:48,320
and they almost

2459
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:50,320
a few of the the people in the

2460
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:51,760
discussion

2461
01:36:55,669 --> 01:36:54,159
almost sounded like they can they think

2462
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:55,679
they can solve it

2463
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:57,520
for whatever it is with that with a

2464
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:59,040
hundred thousand

2465
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:00,880
yeah yes that was the budget hundred

2466
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:02,960
thousand and i'm thinking about

2467
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:04,320
it

2468
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:06,560
and what i spent uh i i think i don't

2469
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:08,639
want to dave's pieces of equipment yeah

2470
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:09,760
it's like

2471
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:11,440
david's equipment is a hundred thousand

2472
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:13,119
dollars well not quite that much you

2473
01:37:18,709 --> 01:37:16,639
know maybe maybe they may have access to

2474
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:18,719
very expensive equipment i i know they

2475
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:21,360
do i mean they have access to but uh but

2476
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:22,560
looking down

2477
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:24,400
you know uh with satellites and things

2478
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:26,880
like that but i don't know you know but

2479
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:28,880
even for a team of people that just

2480
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:30,880
sounds like you know part of someone's

2481
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:32,880
salary and you know i mean

2482
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:36,480
it sounds kind of silly to me but um but

2483
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:38,800
i i did like a few of the comments there

2484
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:40,719
were some comments that i thought was

2485
01:37:45,270 --> 01:37:43,199
a little closed-minded but you know i i

2486
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:45,280
can't remember the lead scientists

2487
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:47,360
basically said when someone asked them

2488
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:48,960
if they could be extraterrestrial he

2489
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:49,920
says

2490
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:52,239
we have to be open to all ideas that's

2491
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:54,159
what science does science doesn't you

2492
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,400
know close anything out so i was i was

2493
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:58,320
at least you know glad that they were

2494
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,600
approaching it

2495
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:01,600
mostly in that direction that this is

2496
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:03,600
something to be learned they were saying

2497
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:06,960
they had no idea what it was um and you

2498
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:09,119
know but it um i think one of them was

2499
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:11,040
saying that it's probably has a

2500
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:13,840
scientific explanation because we find

2501
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:16,560
new science in the universe all the time

2502
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:17,920
so

2503
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:26,880
foot triangle and you know boomerang

2504
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:28,639
object and things that people have

2505
01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:30,960
reported over you know

2506
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:32,719
not not just recently a lot of people

2507
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:34,159
say well those

2508
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,760
triangles are you know recent

2509
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:37,440
experimental projects and things like

2510
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:38,639
that but

2511
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:39,360
but

2512
01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:42,080
i talked to someone in 1977 that had an

2513
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:44,239
amazing large triangle sighting and

2514
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:46,639
there's many more earlier than that so

2515
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:48,880
if we had that technology then i think

2516
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:50,800
we'd be using it

2517
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:56,950
any any thoughts on that any one of you

2518
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:59,280
sure i'll i'll take it uh yeah and that

2519
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:01,040
seems like what i when i'm seeing a lot

2520
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:03,280
of information uh a lot of people like

2521
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:06,080
to throw out there it's a the tr-3b

2522
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:07,760
where you know right

2523
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:08,880
it it gets

2524
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:12,000
overused and the original tr-3b came

2525
01:39:16,149 --> 01:39:14,080
from one guy in the mid 80s claiming he

2526
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:16,159
came out of area 51

2527
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:17,040
and

2528
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:18,880
you know the story itself

2529
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:20,480
if anybody worked there and then they

2530
01:39:24,149 --> 01:39:22,880
disclosed their black project uh they'd

2531
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:24,159
be in jail

2532
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,880
so it just seemed like it kind of falls

2533
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:28,719
on its face right from the get-go so i

2534
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:30,800
i'm really not buying off on it and it

2535
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:32,960
seems like the anecdotal answer for

2536
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:35,440
every triangle everybody likes to say

2537
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:37,840
the tr-3b so it's omnipresent it's

2538
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:39,520
everywhere this thing is just flying

2539
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:41,840
black project over every country every

2540
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:42,639
night

2541
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:43,920
and

2542
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:48,880
no real provenance to support it

2543
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:51,360
and examples of how that happens if if

2544
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,239
somebody says a flying saucer landed and

2545
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:56,960
these purple you know headed people

2546
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,600
eaters came out and and puts a story out

2547
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:01,440
there for fun and then somebody copies

2548
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:03,760
that story and and runs with it and it

2549
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:05,199
goes on another website and they

2550
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:06,639
embellish it and they give some

2551
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:09,040
animations to it and eventually

2552
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,280
it becomes indoctrinated as factual

2553
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:12,960
because everybody's talking about this

2554
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:16,480
these purple headed people leaders in um

2555
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:18,320
in different websites so anybody who

2556
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:19,760
looks at it says well it's over here

2557
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:21,520
it's here it must be factual so that's

2558
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:23,360
just another part of the phenomena and

2559
01:40:27,669 --> 01:40:25,840
that's happening in the tech industry i

2560
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:27,679
i hear it all the time people say we

2561
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:30,000
have satellites that can read newspaper

2562
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:31,600
from outer space

2563
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:33,360
well anybody who says that i know they

2564
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:35,920
never studied optical physics because if

2565
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:37,920
from outer space yeah looking down

2566
01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:39,840
through the atmosphere that limits to

2567
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:42,159
one arc second resolution so you you

2568
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:44,000
would see a newspaper you could see that

2569
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,360
but you would certainly not be able to

2570
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:47,119
resolve the print and you don't have a

2571
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:49,040
large enough uh

2572
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:51,679
aperture mirror or lens to be able to

2573
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:54,000
resolve that due to daw's limit

2574
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:54,960
um

2575
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:57,199
and and so and people will run with that

2576
01:41:02,070 --> 01:40:59,520
and the people who talk about that are

2577
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:02,080
usually not optical physicists or or

2578
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:03,600
astrophysicists they're people that

2579
01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:05,280
really have never studied the sciences

2580
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,280
and and so they just go up what they

2581
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:10,080
read or what they heard

2582
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:13,520
right right interesting uh here's a

2583
01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:15,920
question that a lot of people have asked

2584
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:18,239
over the years why the different ufo

2585
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:20,000
shapes and someone you know further on

2586
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:22,320
said asked if it's possible that some

2587
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:25,280
ufos are biological

2588
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:28,400
anything's possible yeah yeah literally

2589
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:30,960
possible yeah everything's speculation i

2590
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:32,239
could come up with a hundred different

2591
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:33,440
reasons why

2592
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:34,960
i think it could be a different shape

2593
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:36,800
but everything's

2594
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:38,480
skeptical and about about the the

2595
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:40,159
biological thing i've been looking into

2596
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:42,080
a lot of those old cases

2597
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:44,159
of the the manta rays

2598
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:47,119
that are they look gelatinous

2599
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:50,400
and um there's also a case that i ran

2600
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:53,280
into from i think it was

2601
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:55,840
the 50s or 60s and i believe it was a

2602
01:41:59,910 --> 01:41:57,520
school in spain

2603
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:59,920
and it was um it had to do with angel

2604
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:00,800
hair

2605
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:03,920
where uh they saw a disc and for people

2606
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:05,920
that don't know what angel hair is

2607
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:08,719
it's a gelatinous substance that appears

2608
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:10,800
to fall from the sky

2609
01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:12,480
after a ufo sighting and it kind of

2610
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,440
looks like

2611
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:15,760
frog like amphibian eggs

2612
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:16,639
kind of

2613
01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:19,520
um it hits the ground but it dissolves

2614
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:20,800
very quickly

2615
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:22,719
but the the

2616
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:25,280
the ones report i was looking at

2617
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:29,119
the guy who's who saw the ufo and found

2618
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:30,960
the samples of the angel here was a

2619
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:33,679
biologist it was he was at the school

2620
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:36,719
when it happened and he ran he scooped

2621
01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:38,560
it ran right into the lab

2622
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:40,400
and he found

2623
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:43,679
in the angel hair was what looked like

2624
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:46,800
a small creature under a microscope

2625
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:49,040
and it was biological

2626
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:51,440
and it i think he said

2627
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:53,920
it said it was some type of

2628
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:55,920
to compare it to something that was on

2629
01:43:01,669 --> 01:42:59,520
earth some type of like

2630
01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:01,679
crab or something

2631
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:03,040
you know so

2632
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:05,040
i mean who the who knows man i mean that

2633
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:06,880
one just makes me scratch my head

2634
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:08,480
because the angel hair stuff's been

2635
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:10,159
going on forever it doesn't really

2636
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:11,679
happen much anymore

2637
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:13,440
but in the past i mean charles fort

2638
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:15,840
reported on that stuff way back then

2639
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:18,080
right yeah it's another head scratcher

2640
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,000
it's like you're telling me there's a

2641
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:22,880
living entity biological entity inside

2642
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:24,880
the angel here and why has nobody

2643
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:26,560
discussed that since

2644
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:28,320
it's crazy

2645
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:30,000
i do remember the case of when someone

2646
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:32,560
scooped that i did i did hear about that

2647
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:34,080
and uh yeah it makes you kind of wonder

2648
01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:36,880
over the the panspermia account where

2649
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:40,159
you know it makes me think about octopus

2650
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:41,920
yeah yeah they're so intelligent and

2651
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:45,040
they look they're definitely alien

2652
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:47,280
they certainly look at at the cuttlefish

2653
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:51,109
fish

2654
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:54,080
just even in a small amount of samples

2655
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:56,800
that we captured in this film you can

2656
01:44:02,550 --> 01:43:59,600
see that it's not one thing because each

2657
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:02,560
anomaly is an anomaly but

2658
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:04,480
it looks very different it behaves

2659
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:05,520
different

2660
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:07,520
so i think that's part of the problem

2661
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:09,760
with this phenomenon it's that it's not

2662
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:12,080
just one thing some of it is military

2663
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:14,480
some of it is human some of it is

2664
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:17,600
biological some of it is a combination

2665
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:19,920
because i've seen things that morph from

2666
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:22,719
light to to matter to back to light what

2667
01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:24,880
is that you know so

2668
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:27,040
i think that's what you know you can't

2669
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:29,360
come to one conclusion it's it's a

2670
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:32,320
multitude of things all under the same

2671
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:33,600
roof

2672
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:35,760
yes earlier i talked about a friend of

2673
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:36,960
mine that

2674
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:39,360
had an amazing ufo sighting and i said

2675
01:44:43,590 --> 01:44:42,000
he he said that he could care less about

2676
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:43,600
it i don't know if he recalled when i

2677
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:44,480
said that

2678
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:51,440
box-shaped ufo with lights flashing all

2679
01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:54,320
along it shot up to the sky

2680
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:56,800
and then it burst into five lights

2681
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:58,639
and then the five lights had a formation

2682
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:01,119
that were blinking back and forth and

2683
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:03,920
shot off to in a formation when a uh a

2684
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:05,760
fighter jet came to

2685
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:07,760
you know

2686
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:09,920
i mean what an amazing sighting that is

2687
01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:11,440
like the ultimate sighting if you

2688
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:13,280
haven't seen i would have seen beings it

2689
01:45:18,629 --> 01:45:16,400
would have made it a hundred percent

2690
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:18,639
but i mean you talk about changing i

2691
01:45:22,550 --> 01:45:20,639
mean that thing changed from he said it

2692
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:22,560
looked like a square like a rectangular

2693
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:23,600
box

2694
01:45:27,510 --> 01:45:25,840
and then it burst into just lights

2695
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:27,520
and you know charles

2696
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:28,880
halt said the same thing at the randal

2697
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:30,480
reynoldshim forest

2698
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,880
and uh he also said five lights you know

2699
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:34,719
i mean whether there's any tie there or

2700
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:36,880
not but i i told charles about that

2701
01:45:41,030 --> 01:45:39,360
particular um sighting and he he

2702
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,040
couldn't believe it he said that's just

2703
01:45:45,669 --> 01:45:43,199
what i saw turn into five lights

2704
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:45,679
you know so yeah it's such a mystery in

2705
01:45:49,910 --> 01:45:47,600
the more you dig into the topic that's

2706
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:49,920
why i love it so much the more you dig

2707
01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:52,400
into it the more of the mystery you

2708
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:55,600
cover that there's more to uncover

2709
01:46:01,590 --> 01:45:58,320
you know and uh so it just keeps it it

2710
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:01,600
keeps me uh keeps me at it all the time

2711
01:46:08,229 --> 01:46:04,560
uh now over ten years doing this so

2712
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:08,239
uh really enjoying it um so

2713
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:09,760
um you

2714
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,480
dave you had everyone here has had a ufo

2715
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:14,880
sighting which i think is uh quite

2716
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:16,560
amazing really when you think about it

2717
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:18,480
but dave mason you

2718
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:21,360
um you started filming these things have

2719
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:24,320
you seen have you had like ufo sightings

2720
01:46:29,590 --> 01:46:26,800
as well other than what you've been

2721
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:29,600
filming like have you personally seen

2722
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:30,480
things

2723
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:33,040
equipment

2724
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:35,920
yes i have uh there was an evening and i

2725
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:37,520
i forgot the year it was i think it was

2726
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:41,840
96 or 97 i saw a large black

2727
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:44,960
uh it looked like a um

2728
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:46,560
like a stealth bomber

2729
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:49,520
and it flew overhead uh over my house

2730
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:51,199
and it was

2731
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:53,679
only at about maybe three four hundred

2732
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:55,119
feet altitude

2733
01:47:01,030 --> 01:46:58,159
very it was very large moved slow

2734
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:01,040
it had two glowing lights on it which

2735
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:02,400
when i looked at it i thought they were

2736
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:04,480
some kind of afterburner but it didn't

2737
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:08,000
make any sound and it flew overhead and

2738
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:09,679
it left me thinking it was our

2739
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:11,360
technology but then when i thought about

2740
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:14,560
it how did that thing fly over so low

2741
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:16,320
not make a sound

2742
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:18,320
and went directly overhead and what i

2743
01:47:22,310 --> 01:47:20,000
was looking for at the time i remember

2744
01:47:25,350 --> 01:47:22,320
it was august 13th because that's when

2745
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:25,360
you have the peak uh meteor showers uh

2746
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:26,880
and in the summer months so i was just

2747
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:28,639
out to watch meteors

2748
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:29,600
and

2749
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:31,199
it was one of those things where you see

2750
01:47:34,629 --> 01:47:32,960
it and you're kind of thinking did i

2751
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:34,639
really see it because your mind just

2752
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:36,400
doesn't sort it right

2753
01:47:44,229 --> 01:47:41,840
and that was in 96 97 and then in 2006

2754
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:44,239
there were some bright

2755
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:47,040
uh objects in daylight that were just

2756
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:48,800
south of my house that were formed in

2757
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:51,840
the sky and uh they were i guess you

2758
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:53,760
call them flotias or they were they were

2759
01:47:58,390 --> 01:47:56,080
a cluster of lights and this was in the

2760
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:58,400
afternoon the sunny day and i i recall

2761
01:48:01,750 --> 01:48:00,639
grabbing some binoculars and looking

2762
01:48:03,510 --> 01:48:01,760
and i could see one of them was

2763
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:03,520
elongated but they weren't balloons and

2764
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:05,920
they were some sort of luminous sources

2765
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:08,480
and then i grabbed my large mead 12-inch

2766
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:09,840
telescope i thought well i'm going to

2767
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:11,440
get this thing and try to zoom in and

2768
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:13,760
get a really good view and by the time i

2769
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:16,239
had that telescope set up the objects

2770
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:17,840
were gone so i really couldn't get a

2771
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:21,440
view of it but yeah definitely i i've

2772
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:23,760
witnessed it i've got friends who and

2773
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:25,360
family who have witnessed a lot of

2774
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:28,000
unusual objects on their own

2775
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:29,280
reports

2776
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:30,000
but

2777
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:32,639
definitely more more so i pick up on the

2778
01:48:36,870 --> 01:48:35,119
thermal cameras which like again it was

2779
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:36,880
discovered by accident

2780
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:39,520
and uh what was also interesting is

2781
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:41,679
as i was recording over the years there

2782
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:44,000
were certain years where i got nothing i

2783
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:45,920
mean where i would record get birds bugs

2784
01:48:49,189 --> 01:48:47,199
and aircraft

2785
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:49,199
and it would get very frustrating where

2786
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:51,520
you wouldn't be able to record anything

2787
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:53,600
and you spent hours of reviewing

2788
01:48:57,270 --> 01:48:55,199
and there were some years where i just

2789
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:57,280
skipped it because i thought that the

2790
01:49:02,470 --> 01:48:59,040
phenomenon was done

2791
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:02,480
and in 2016 i came back at it with a lot

2792
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:05,040
more time and found out i was missing a

2793
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:06,800
lot of activity and there were some very

2794
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:08,960
anomalous things that were following

2795
01:49:13,750 --> 01:49:10,880
commercial jets and in front of

2796
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:13,760
commercial jets which i recorded on

2797
01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:18,390
interest so

2798
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,440
go ahead

2799
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,239
i was i just wanted to answer um

2800
01:49:26,830 --> 01:49:24,719
greg o'brien's question and he asked if

2801
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:26,840
anybody experienced the hitchhiker

2802
01:49:33,510 --> 01:49:29,440
effect after the film

2803
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:33,520
um i personally didn't but i did see

2804
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:36,320
a total of three things that i could not

2805
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:38,080
explain when i got home there were

2806
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:40,159
lights and objects in the sky what they

2807
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:43,360
were i don't know um i didn't have any

2808
01:49:47,589 --> 01:49:44,880
poltergeist stuff

2809
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:47,599
unfortunately or anything like that but

2810
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:49,920
um i did see some things when i got home

2811
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:53,199
that i had never seen in the area before

2812
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:55,280
anyone

2813
01:50:01,750 --> 01:49:59,270
nothing paranormal uh other than that

2814
01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:01,760
the excitement of what we did i've been

2815
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:03,920
developing new technology things that i

2816
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:06,159
can't share right now uh they'll be used

2817
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:07,760
in future projects

2818
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:10,880
uh but they're certainly inspired um

2819
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:12,480
but yeah i can't say that i've had

2820
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:13,360
anything

2821
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:15,920
anomalous happen

2822
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:18,400
yeah me neither i i was so focused on

2823
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:20,159
finishing the film

2824
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,280
that uh

2825
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:23,440
that that was my main concern

2826
01:50:27,589 --> 01:50:25,280
if something happened i definitely

2827
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:27,599
didn't notice it like let's get this

2828
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:28,880
film done

2829
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:31,440
oh i bet yeah i mean

2830
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:33,199
for the person that has never been

2831
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:36,400
involved in in filmmaking it is you know

2832
01:50:39,589 --> 01:50:38,320
i hear from you know a couple of friends

2833
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:39,599
that i have that

2834
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:42,719
that's what they do for work and uh

2835
01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:45,840
james fox and and dean alioto talking to

2836
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:49,360
both of them and what's involved is just

2837
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:52,159
mind-blowing and the hours and hours and

2838
01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:54,320
hours and hours uh when james fox was

2839
01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:57,040
doing you know the phenomenon he i

2840
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:58,880
forget how many hours he told me that he

2841
01:51:02,870 --> 01:51:00,000
had filmed

2842
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:02,880
uh something like 900 hours or something

2843
01:51:07,109 --> 01:51:05,360
ridiculous uh you know maybe it wasn't

2844
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,119
that many but it was a lot and so that

2845
01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:09,440
but no one knows how much work goes into

2846
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,639
it and uh and caroline you're you're

2847
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:14,560
behind the driver's seat in this thing

2848
01:51:18,470 --> 01:51:16,480
all the way through and for you to get

2849
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:18,480
that done in a year and a half it's

2850
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:19,360
really

2851
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:22,000
uh very impressive actually

2852
01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:24,159
yeah that's why i feel that we were some

2853
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:26,320
sort of supported or something was

2854
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:27,679
happening because

2855
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:30,400
uh it was incredibly fast the way also

2856
01:51:33,669 --> 01:51:32,159
we count not just so much the hours

2857
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:33,679
because we're literally we're working

2858
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:36,159
around the clock sometimes but also the

2859
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:37,840
number of edits

2860
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:38,880
and

2861
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:43,520
at the same time so if you for people to

2862
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,400
know who know this in post-production

2863
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:48,560
every camera is on one track so when you

2864
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:51,679
have 10 cameras it's it's it's just so

2865
01:51:56,550 --> 01:51:53,440
much information

2866
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:56,560
and to edit it together this was very

2867
01:52:01,750 --> 01:51:59,679
very very difficult to edit together to

2868
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:01,760
make it you know at the end you just

2869
01:52:06,709 --> 01:52:04,719
watch it as one seamless story but every

2870
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:06,719
second of the film you know needs to

2871
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:08,320
kind of be picked from this place in

2872
01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:09,520
that place and

2873
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:12,719
you know so the synchronizing everything

2874
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:15,440
and uh from from a technical point of

2875
01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:18,719
view it's is very challenging so we have

2876
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:20,800
about uh i think we ended up with

2877
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:23,760
something like almost 3 000 edits that's

2878
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:27,040
that's oh my goodness right it's crazy

2879
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:27,760
and

2880
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:30,880
meaning cuts or this or insert or you

2881
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:33,040
know every little thing you do

2882
01:52:38,070 --> 01:52:34,880
when you cut from camera to camera you

2883
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:38,080
know is it is it so that's it that's a

2884
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:39,760
a huge amount

2885
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:41,520
i never thought about the 10 cameras you

2886
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:50,070
all right well that's it uh thank you so

2887
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,920
much everyone and caroline thank you for

2888
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,599
hanging in the whole way through i

2889
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:55,840
appreciate that no that was awesome you

2890
01:52:59,589 --> 01:52:58,000
know i really i really enjoy your

2891
01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:59,599
podcast i've met you at other

2892
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:01,360
conferences so i really really

2893
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:04,080
appreciate the work as well and so

2894
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:05,840
thanks for the opportunity and i hope

2895
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:08,719
people will uh will be encouraged to to

2896
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:11,280
watch this film thanks to you

2897
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:13,280
yes thank you very much and write down

2898
01:53:17,589 --> 01:53:15,360
in the show notes and down the text you

2899
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:17,599
will find um how to watch that thank you

2900
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,320
all

2901
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:20,400
thank you and also one last thing i

2902
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:22,560
posted the angel hair case i was talking

2903
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:24,480
about on twitter

2904
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:26,960
excellent all right okay thank you thank

2905
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:29,119
you thanks martin jason

2906
01:53:34,070 --> 01:53:30,800
and thank you dave altman all right

2907
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:34,080
everyone we will be back uh next week

2908
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:37,199
and we'll back with uh chris rakowski

2909
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,440
from canada should be a great show thank

2910
01:53:44,220 --> 01:53:42,080
you all and remember to keep your eyes

2911
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:44,230
to the sky